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Post by 1oldgentagain on Jan 17, 2016 19:04:49 GMT -7
Some should recognize the title as a direct quote from one Of Dan's recent posts..So here's one I thought of tonight....Who among us has owned one (or more) Remington-Lee Rifles...Or seen one--or Held one- or had a cousin whose great uncle was James P. Lee's grandson... What was the chambering(s) on the examples you are familiar with... Guess who has in hand three(3)of these rifles..first correct answer can have 36 hour posting privileges here,if they give no... offense to anyone,,Name the chamberings,and triple your prize... Y'all come... Tie Breaker ?: Tell us the name of Virginia Green's(age 93) father.....Super tie breaker--her sisters first name..............1Oxxxxxxxxxxx...  |
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Post by Junior on Jan 17, 2016 19:56:31 GMT -7
I don't believe I have ever even seen one in person.
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Post by Bullshop on Jan 17, 2016 20:02:53 GMT -7
Ya lost me. I don't know any of those folks. Was it the Remington Lee model that was chambered in 6mm Lee Navy?
Or was the Remington Lee the awkward looking bolt action? Or maybe I am wrong on both guesses.
Anywho I have never touched either one and the depth of my knowledge of either is exactly zip.
I am going for a WAG on who has these fine rifles and go with my good friend Bill Whiteman who is also the owner of a fine Marlin rifle I admire and lust after.
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Post by 1oldgentagain on Jan 17, 2016 23:03:15 GMT -7
Well Darn it Dan.. Now I don't get to talk about the tiebreakers...Mine are 45/70 ,30/40. and 30/30..Very Interesting story on these rifles.Detatchable Mag, Bolt Actions, the 30/30's were the first bolt action rifles ever chambered for that Cartridge, As Far As I can determine. The 45/70, 7x57, 32 win Spec., 38/72 and 405 W. Were all the first bolt actions made in U.S.that didn't use some sort of tubular Mag for those cartridges,I Have yet to find ANY U.S.made Bolt Actions rifles ,other than the R-L, that were factory made in 32 Spec, 38/72, or 405 W. Almost 100 % sure in the case of the 38/72 as they were darn few of those made in any sort of rifle..There may have been a few more chamberings, but these will do for now, as it's too late to go find my book on this subjrct. I got the first of these,a 30/40, probably 20 years ago, and took it too a NCBS event in Winnemucca,early in the 21st Century..Took the 30/30 last year and several of us shot a goodly # of Cast bullet loads in it. 1Oxxxxxxxx...
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Post by Bullshop on Jan 18, 2016 6:18:47 GMT -7
Question on the 38-72. Was that a long straight wall case also known as the 38 Express? I once saw a Winchester 1885 that was stamped 38 Express and the chamber looked to be straight wall.
405 mama mea! Don't the stocks on those have a curved steel butt? Ouch and double ouch!!!
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Post by 1oldgentagain on Jan 19, 2016 7:03:23 GMT -7
I don't know about the 38 Express Nomenclature,but will Mention that Winchester had an even shorter lived cartridGe earlier named the 38-70...Without further research my guess would have to be that the 38-70 was based form the 45-70 case,and the 38-72 case from the 45-90 case.. I don't own any Ed. of "Cartridges of the world,so unless something can be googled up ,I'm sort of at the end of "Helping"..I do know this,,the 405 Win. was simply an "upgrade" of the 38-72's big brother, it was a 40-72 with slightly different rim dimensions,(diamet and thickness,both,I think.40-72 is slight taper,38-72 had small shallow shoulder..Saw a very nice(best ever seen) Winchester model 1895 in 40/72 @ last summers big Missoula show..$24,999 Asking, a bit of a leap for an Old guy,bucket list or not...!! 1O.......
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Post by 1oldgentagain on Jan 19, 2016 12:35:35 GMT -7
Thoght I ought to take fresh peek for Remington-Lee rfles on the two major web auction sites.goodgollymollie, Gunbroker has two(2) currently listed...A 405 Win. which is apparently A rebore/rechamber from what was a 30/40 in the WAYBack..It is also completely restocked..Then there is what looks to be a 100%original early 45/70 in above average condition (from WHat I have or have seen).Good shopping for a young buck, and/or oldgent with deeper pockets than mine...
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Post by obssd1958 on Jan 22, 2016 0:44:20 GMT -7
Best info I have via google and CotW:
38-70 Winchester - introduced in 1894 for the model 1886. Tapered case(2.31") with a small bottle-neck and can be formed from 45-90 brass (38-56 was made from 45-70). Factory load was 255gr. bullet at 1490fps.
38-72 Winchester - introduced with the model 1895. Slightly bottle-necked case (2.58") can be formed from 40-72, .405 Win., or .444 Marlin. Factory load was 275gr. SP at 1475fps.
38-90 Winchester Express - introduced in 1886 for the model 1885. Long bottle-necked case (3.25") can be formed from .405 Basic brass. Factory load was 217gr lead bullet at 1595fps.
If there is anything else I can help with, just let me know!!
Don
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Post by urny on Jan 22, 2016 8:53:04 GMT -7
Glad to see you here Don. It's a friendly, pleasant place, that bids fair to be a great source of information, 'specially with you here!
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Post by 1oldgentagain on Jan 22, 2016 8:58:16 GMT -7
Just another Guess.or opinion(your choice)The 38-70 and 38-90 must be the rarest of all the chamberings in Win.1886 that were ever made in New Haven..I did see a 38-70 offered for sale ONCE,never saw either chambering in the flesh,even behind class in locked display @ Cody..BUT,I've only toured the BB Museum Gunroom 3 times,and they do rotate displays. 1Oxxxxxxxxxx
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Post by obssd1958 on Jan 22, 2016 10:06:40 GMT -7
Good morning, Bill!
The scuttlebutt is, there were only 830 model 1886 made with the 38-70 chambering, out of approximately 160,000 rifles built. Not a very popular cartridge!
Also, the list of cartridges for the 1886 would lead me to believe that the case length limit for that firearm, was somewhere around the 2.4-2.5 inch range. That would preclude the use of the 38-90, which due to it's 3.25" case length, appears to have only been chambered in single shots like the 1885.
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Post by 1oldgentagain on Jan 23, 2016 8:24:57 GMT -7
Thanks for the extended research, My mind was struggling to get a handle on how in blazes someone figured out how to get a 3.25" Case (even if all the bullet was inside the case)to function through a 1886 action..I'd recommend also that if you come up on a functional 1885 in 38-90 grab it,because it's likely to be 1 of 4 ever produced.. 1Oxxxxxx
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Post by Bullshop on Jan 27, 2016 7:55:56 GMT -7
"""I'd recommend also that if you come up on a functional 1885 in 38-90 grab it,because it's likely to be 1 of 4 ever produced.. """
Sure now you tell me! Actually the one mentioned was at least 30 years ago that I spotted in the used gun rack at General Surplus in Missoula.
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Post by missionary on Jan 27, 2016 17:14:01 GMT -7
Greetings
Have one sitting in 45-70 at the Vermilion County War Museum in Danville, IllINOIS. Some one many years ago sporterized the stock but left the barrel long.
Mike in Peru
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