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Post by Bullshop on Aug 11, 2022 13:00:23 GMT -7
Anyone besides me still shooting ? Attachments:
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Post by shootist---Gary on Aug 11, 2022 20:43:48 GMT -7
It's been too hot & muggy most days, & Jeanne & I took 2 days last week to drive the U.S. Rt. 127 yard sale. We drove 180 miles from home, to just east of Richmond, Indiana, on old U.S. 40 & I-70, checked in at the motel, then Thursday morning, back 5 miles to 127, & started stopping at yard sales. I bought 2 army ammo boxes for $15, but didn't find any ammo components or reloading supplies. I haven't even shot the new Cimarron .357 SA yet.
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Post by missionary on Aug 12, 2022 5:37:31 GMT -7
That would be a fun day with a Buzzing Bee.. Good looking NEI bullet....
Have not fired one round since September. But then we have been practicing defense with other pointy objects.
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Post by Bullshop on Aug 12, 2022 6:39:51 GMT -7
This was far from the best performance this old Springfield 22 hornet has produced. I picked up an eight pound keg of Hodgdons 700-X powder for $100.00 at a recent gun show and as usual anythig even close to an acceptable burn rate for 22 hornet gets tried in the Springfield. This gives me a good idea of what I can expect from this powder at nearly 2000 shots per pound.
Something I learned from the powder purchase is that 700-X has not always been a Hodgdons powder. I thought correctly that somewhere I had an old tin one pound can of IMR-700-X. When I got home from the show with the new Hodgdons powder I dug up the old can and sure enough it was previously Dupont IMR 700-X. Looking through old load data books also confirmed the same. At some point apparently Hodgdons acquired the rights to the powder and it is now currently Hodgdons 700-X
Apparently Hodgdons saw fit to keep it available even after the introduction of so many new powders with similar burn rates. Looking through some of my old Lyman data books where they have combined data for jacketed and cast bullets 700-X was well represented for use with cast bullets in both rifle and handgun. Excellent !
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Post by missionary on Aug 12, 2022 12:18:34 GMT -7
That was a great deal even 15 years ago ! Looks like primers would run out before that 8 pounds.
Last show I was at powder was beyond thought. One feller had 3 cans of older 3F Goex 1 pounders. He told they were $75. I thought all 3. He says well for all 3 I will make it $200 even. Needless to write at the end of that Saturday they were still there along with near all his powders and primers.
I like Hornets. They will do in all sorts of pest critters and not spook the cows in the next county.
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Post by Bullshop on Aug 12, 2022 15:44:53 GMT -7
I liked the 22 hornet long before I ever even saw one. When I was a kid growing up in rural NYS the 22 hornet was legendary from its use 20 years earlier during the first US depression. Looks like it will get a run at the second US depression, SOON !
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Post by missionary on Aug 12, 2022 18:42:40 GMT -7
In SW Michigan where I grew up numerous families used Hornets for groundhogs and coons. Out in the fruit orchards shots were always under 100 yards.
The Chabot family I hunted with used a .243 for everything. The older son reloaded his rounds and was very happy with a 70 grain HP. I never saw him miss either. The Chabot family were Patawatami Indian decent and all excellent hunters.
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Post by Bullshop on Aug 13, 2022 6:38:10 GMT -7
The 243 Win is without doubt a fine cartridge being well accepted since its inception since 1955. With the 70 brain bullet weight it runs in the velocity range of the equally popular speed demon the 22-250. The big difference is hard to put into words but easy to understand that where we think of the 243 as a rifle cartridge with the power and noise level that goes along with that label on the same token we think of the 22 hornet as a 22 grouped with less intense cartridges like the 22 long rifle and the 22 mag with their attendant reduced intensity noise and power levels.
There are likely many my age that growing up learned the potential of the two most popular rim fires and because of those lower intensity noise and power levels were allowed to be used in settled areas where full power rifle cartridges like the 243 may not have been. I once did some chronograph testing of the 22 long rifle and the 22 mag in both rifle and revolver. The basics of what I learned from that are that with the standard 22 LR HV load with 40 grain bullet it would do 1300 fps from the closed breach of a rifle and 900 fps from a revolver loosing 400 fps in the revolver due to the barrel cylinder gap. With the 22 mag the revolver velocity was 1300 fps and rifle velocity was 2000 fps with the same 40 grain bullet. The velocity was not due to the longer barrel of the rifle but solely due to the sealed breach because I also tested the 22 mag in a ten inch Contender barrel with sealed breach and it still produced the same 2000 fps velocity.
With that and because I know first hand how effective the 22 mag is I for the most part load my 22 hornets to the same level but usually with a slightly heavier bullet weight than the standard 40 grain bullet of the 22 LR and mag.
There used to be an offering from Federal for the 22 mag with 50 grain bullet and the box ballistics claimed 2000 fps but my Ohler 35-P chronograph argued the point claiming 1600 fps My loads for the 22 hornet most often use a cast bullet of somewhere around 50 grain but are loaded to an honest 2000 fps which the cartridge in that low intensity 22 level of noise and power but still produces a level of ballistic performance that is eminently useful in taking game that may be far out of proportion with the cartridges innocent status. Did I ever mention that I once had the opportunity to cull a pair of mature Yak with that 22 hornet load?
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Post by missionary on Aug 13, 2022 7:29:52 GMT -7
A Yak is one critter I have never met face to face.
There was feller who had 20-30 Buffalos down in the river bottoms I hunt but about a mile down river. Some would decide each winter to "go for a walk" into a south blowing wind each winter. The railroad tie and old phone pole pen never won the "push battle".
Sadly we were never up there for the Jan-Feb yearly escape. About 10 years ago the owner decided it was cheaper to buy Buff Burger..
The Hornet does get my approval also. It does alot very well from tree rats to groundhogs.
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Post by Bullshop on Aug 13, 2022 10:25:19 GMT -7
"" The Hornet does get my approval also. It does alot very well from tree rats to groundhogs. ""
And Yak
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Post by missionary on Aug 15, 2022 5:34:46 GMT -7
What do the Inuits do with Yak "hair" ?
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Post by Bullshop on Aug 15, 2022 8:25:22 GMT -7
I dont know the answer to that but I have heard them say that in a lifetime they eat the equivalent of all the hair of one caribou. They are not particularly fussy about a little hair on the meat.
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Post by missionary on Aug 15, 2022 9:13:28 GMT -7
That hair is probably a good source of calcium. But then so are ground bones mixed into stews or whatever.
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Post by Bullshop on Aug 15, 2022 18:45:11 GMT -7
They eat some weird stuff like muktiuk . It is aptly named as it tastes just the way it sounds.
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Post by missionary on Aug 16, 2022 3:40:55 GMT -7
Native inhabitants do have some interesting eating habits. Out in the valley I go to the farmers from children up come across a scorpion ad it is sack time. Hold the scorpion down with a stick, wack the stinger off the tail, lift live scorpion by the now safe tail and start chewing.
I have eaten three and they have no flavor. Our Doctor told me they are very safe to eat and good for ya.
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Post by Bullshop on Aug 16, 2022 6:47:27 GMT -7
I'll pass on munching live scorpions, or even dead ones. Insects are for survival situations only. I did eat a rattle snake once. It tried to keep me from getting to the lake I had to fish for dinner. Seemed only logical that it became dinner, and a good dinner it was too.
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Post by missionary on Aug 16, 2022 15:58:19 GMT -7
Rattlesnake is good! When we go to AZ to visit family That is a meal I look forward to.
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Post by todddoyka on Aug 16, 2022 18:39:30 GMT -7
when i was basic training, i ate a black rat snake.
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Post by Bullshop on Aug 17, 2022 7:11:46 GMT -7
The word snake is bad enough but when you add the word rat to it makes it sound even less palatable.
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Post by todddoyka on Aug 17, 2022 9:41:38 GMT -7
The word snake is bad enough but when you add the word rat to it makes it sound even less palatable. we were recuirts going out bivouacing with our Drill Instructors. each guy had to make a hasty fighting position,which means you dig yourself a hole 18" deep and as long as your body. we had our M16 with a blank ammo and blank adapter. we went somewhere and when we came back, i heard a guy yell snake!!! so everybody goes over, including sargents, and we see a 6' black snake coilded up and ready to strike. my sargent goes "gimme a rifle." someone hands it to him, he takes off the blank adapter, goes to snake and he fires it one-handed. dead snake. then he says, "i got some good eatin. anybody want a piece?" so i naturally do and another guy wants some. the sargent and we go to the center of our camp and the sargant goes "make a fire". so we did. he busy skinning and gutting the snake, cuts it into 3 piecesand he puts it on sticks that he drives into the ground around the fire. it took us a good bit of time, 1 1/2 - 2 hours, to make the meat and the sargent was a pretty good guy, so he tells us hunting stories. then he decides it done and gives us each a peice. i always hear the snake meat tastes like chicken, but its not. it tastes like snake, which is pretty good. i firgured that the snake fed on squirrels, woods mice, birds....but no rats. we were in the middle of the woods and i've never seen rats there. |
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Post by Bullshop on Aug 17, 2022 10:08:53 GMT -7
I bet there is a lot of good meat on those big snakes there hunting in Florida! Some of those weigh as much as a deer and some even eat deer.
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Post by todddoyka on Aug 17, 2022 12:21:38 GMT -7
they can stay in Florida!!!!!!
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Post by grasshopper on Aug 20, 2022 22:17:50 GMT -7
Snakes, unless it’s a survival situation I’ll pass thank you. I’ve been to the world rattlesnake roundup out in Sweetwater TX and it’s something to see for sure plus it’s all for charity. I’m not sure what snake tastes like to me, it’s not chicken for sure, I found it almost like really tough calimari. One of the many times we went down to Panama me and a few buddies were basically goofing off and had the company Humvee, as we were riding down one of the many narrow red mud trails my buddy yells stop! “There’s a snake and it’s huge!” We all get out, weapons in hand and sure enough there’s a python about 15 feet long laying there that had been run over in the head but still warm and in good shape. Being far from a Christian back then and a lot more mean, I go along with a plan to take the snake back to our barracks and put the said snake in their platoon seargents sleeping bag! He was an African American gentleman from Cleveland, Ohio and needless to say I can still hear the screams in my head today!!😁
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Post by Bullshop on Aug 21, 2022 6:48:45 GMT -7
Oh Rob Rob Rob, that is funny. Sic but funny. Can you imagin how many slab steaks are in a snake that big? Slap a couple on the barbi ! I put snake and frog at a pretty close match for taste. Just like any other meat though there is likely good and bad depending on how old or well fed they are.
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Post by missionary on Aug 21, 2022 10:45:15 GMT -7
Only pulled one "prank" on a sarge and he was a different platoon but one real "issue".
We all carried smoke grenades on the tanks for signalling. One afternoon, as always, this sarge took his nap in the turret. Would lock the hatch from inside. But failed to notice the breech block on the 105mm main gun was down. So I took a red smoke with me over to the that tank. Removed the muzzle cover, pulled the pin, let the red pop and stuffed it into the barrel replacing the muzzle cover.
Made the walk back to where our tank was parked and waited. Took a couple of minutes but the turret hatch flew open and a red smoke covered sarge scrambled out. Or platoon got a good laugh out of it plus that sarge never messed with us again.
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Post by grasshopper on Aug 22, 2022 3:16:21 GMT -7
The prank with the big anaconda down in Panama got a bunch of laughs for sure, one thing about that little incident I didn’t mention was he got the last laugh, he was a senior platoon seargent and he took everyone he outranked and gave us a “smoke” session I still remember to this day! One other thing I remember about that last trip, we went to a little survival school with a local Indian tribe from someplace in the Darien gap and they showed us how to make poison darts and hunt and cook iguana, I don’t recommend it either! One other thing they got us to try is they make their own drink out of their fermented spit, yes spit! Supposedly it was rude to refuse to drink some, one sip of that stuff no bigger than a shot glass and you were stoned for the rest of the day, don’t recommend that either! Live and learn I suppose!
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Post by Bullshop on Aug 22, 2022 6:14:57 GMT -7
Try to order that one at a bar. Bar tender I'll have a toasted iguana with a cold beer and a spit chaser.
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Post by missionary on Aug 22, 2022 7:01:40 GMT -7
One thing I have learned in life. Man will try most anything to make a means to find a source of peace and comfort. But seldom look to God our Creature. I was one of those.
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Post by Bullshop on Aug 22, 2022 13:04:36 GMT -7
Your exactly right brother Mike and we are told in Gods word that is how it will be near the end. "" The love of many will wax cold "" From what I am seeing now that one revelation is pandemic.
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Post by Bullshop on Aug 23, 2022 8:18:05 GMT -7
Soooo as long as we are on the subject of the 22 hornet I want to share this little tidbit. I finished an order of NEI #2 bullets a 48gn flat nose gas checked design and had just a few left over, seven to be exact. Also on the bench were 22 hornet dies and brass so rather than just throw the seven little lead pills back into the pot I decided to have a fun little mini vacation from work and load and shoot them. Rather than load them with proven recipes I decided to try something less conventional.
Some of you might remember about a year or so ago I pointed out that on GB there was a fella selling lots of two eight pound jugs of wc-842 powder with no starting bid price. He had numerous auctions all starting at zero so I watched each auction every day until I finally got one for quite a low price. Fast forward to yesterday where I decide to try the wc-842 powder in the 22 hornet. Now understand that this powder is way too slow in burn rate to even be on the chart for suitable powders for the 22 hornet but possessing cat like curiosity I wanted to try. The powder jug says to treat like H-335 which is too slow for the hornet case volume but the books only look at top achievable velocity for the cartridge so powders that can not deliver on that goal are not included in load data. Since my personal velocity goal for the 22 hornet is usually 2000 to 2100 fps I often target powders that may be just outside the norm in burn rate and wc-842 is that.
Since its burn rate is too slow for the case there is no need to target a specific charge weight, just fill the case leaving just enough room to seat the bullet. Using that method to determine the powder charge and going with a magnum primer for the longer spark I shot the seven bullets at the 100 yard target and was pleasantly surprised at the results. The report was crisp and sharp and the barrel relatively clean of unburned powder, all good! The seven shots grouped fairly well producing about the same horizontal dispersion but half the vertical as the group that started this thread. Mind you now this was only seven shots compared to the twenty shots of the group starting this thread. Still though I was pleasantly surprised at the results so much so that I now feel compelled to couple this too slow for hornet powder with the heaviest bullet my hornet rifle has been known to shoot well a 53 grain design from our friends down under at Cast Bullet Engineering. Normally when developing a load if starting with a powder burn rate on the slow side for application I would couple it with the heaviest for caliber bullets but since this test started out in a more freaky manner this time the heaviest bullet will have to be phase two. Stand by for more freaky 22 hornet action. Today though will be dedicated to a new to us combination mold producing a 205gn and 240gn bullet for the 33 WCF which likely means that Lord willing sometime in the future you will all be treated to some 33 WCF results with this new to the Bullshop treasure.
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