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Post by Junior on Aug 22, 2021 9:17:31 GMT -7
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Post by Bullshop on Aug 22, 2021 9:59:08 GMT -7
I like it ! I miss my rifle too. When we were preparing to leave Alaska we sold everything that would sell and kept the rest. MY CZ-99 sold. Man that rifle was accurate!!! Remember when I dropped that cabbage glutton in his tracks from 100 yards with that little rifle ?
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Post by todddoyka on Aug 22, 2021 11:02:18 GMT -7
i still have mine, a plain jane marlin m25 with a cheap scope in 22(i believe it was on sale for $99). i got it from my dad for Christmas sometime in the mid 80s. it, along with cci mini mags, would go under 1/2" at 50 yards(7 shots). it was great for grey and fox squirrels. the marlin would group 3/4 - 1 1/2" at 50 yards using remmies, winnies, federal and God only knows what else. i was at the store every week for $7 or $8 for 500 rounds. my best friend(whose dad got him another marlin m25) and i have shot thousands and thousands of rounds thru it.
doves, squirrels, rabbits, grouse, pheasant, foxes, groundhogs, crows, beer and soda cans, 22 lr cases, a doe(struck by a car and her back legs was paralyzed and i happened to be on my home hunting squirrels), feral cats and a few others i can't think of.
the marlin sits in my safe and every once in a while, she come out and shoot a few rounds just to make sure she is Queen of all my rifles.
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Post by grasshopper on Aug 22, 2021 12:21:12 GMT -7
I’ve had several 22 rifles over the years and still have more than I need thankfully. One of the most accurate I’ve ever had was an Ansuchtz 64 sporter and it was a tack driver but it went someplace I can remember now. The other most accurate I still have and taught my kids to shoot with it’s a Winchester 69A with a Lyman peep rear and a globe front. I bought that rifle at a gun shop for $25 bucks because it had somehow been broken at the wrist. I just drilled a diagonal hole thru the two pieces and used wood glue and a wooden dowel fit tightly to piece it back together. I refinished the stock and stained it lightly with darker walnut stain and finished it with linseed oil and now if you didn’t know it was ever broken I don’t think you could tell. My daughter has already laid claim to it over my sons halfhearted protest. I have two Marlin model 39s and I don’t think going into detail with all the Marlin lovers here is required. The final and another favorite is a Remington nylon 66 it’s fed and functioned without fail no matter what I’ve fed it. I also forgot to mention for some reason the Winchester 69 is the quietest non suppressed I’ve ever fired. It’s weird but cool weird and I sure won’t complain about it!😁
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Post by missionary on Aug 23, 2021 4:41:19 GMT -7
Good reading JR ! Keep them coming as they do awaken good memories from some long ago years.
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Post by Junior on Jan 8, 2022 21:14:01 GMT -7
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Post by Bullshop on Jan 9, 2022 8:30:41 GMT -7
Excellent informative article. Exactly the type of information I would want if considering buying one. Thank you for sharing. It certainly appears that you have a future in gun writing. You are becoming my favorite but for me you will always have some advantage over all others.
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Post by missionary on Jan 9, 2022 10:05:17 GMT -7
Thank you Daniel ! Well written, to the point and informative. We have one 10mm (Glock) which is a police turn in not fired much at all. We have not fired it much either. But a compact in 10mm just may be in the future. The Marine side story re-inforces in my mind the 9mm is better than nothing. Happily we have other cartridges to work with.
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Post by Bullshop on Jan 9, 2022 10:35:14 GMT -7
Right about the time the 40 S&W came out I had picked up a pair of Model 92 Winchester rifles chambered for the 38-40 WCF from a fella that was leaving Alaska. This was my first and certainly favorable experience with the 38 WCF cartridge. When the 40 S&W came out and I was getting literally buckets of free brass from a gravel pit near my house that the states troopers did their practice shooting in I was encouraged to get something to use them in. When I got the Winchester rifles I got ahold of Walt Melander at NEI Tooldine as it was then called and had Walt make me a mold with bullet designed for the 38-40. When I got a gun to shoot the 40 S&W I just used the same bullet in it as it also seemed about perfect for that too in a sort of 180gn RF design. The same bullet worked great in both. After spending sufficient time with both cartridges I realized that the two are ballistic twins and that in them the shooting world had simply reinvented the wheel. Now at an age where I am a seiner citizen I have seen this repeated in the industry many times the most recent in the 6.5CM and the 277 Westerner being ballistic twins of the 256 Newton and 270 Winchester with basically the same performance in new flashy packaging. So I guess what it comes down to in making a chambering choice is to target the ballistic performance level you want then decide on the wrapper. For me being an old guy if choosing 40 caliber I want the 38 WCF and I want it in the type of wrapper it was intended for. I just weird that way! BTW Jr. I absolutely agree with you that the 10mm aint no 44 mag. I can only imagine how that conversation would go if Elmer was involved.
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Post by Junior on Jan 9, 2022 11:17:47 GMT -7
The 10mm loaded the way it is today is actually rather wimpy compared to the original loads. I had to put a moose down about 2 weeks ago that charged me, about a 2 year old bull, and the 10mm is what I had on my belt. Shooting plain Jane 180gn ball ammo, I had no trouble dumping 11 rounds before his hit the ground and got 11 head shots. He was dead after the first hit, but momentum kept him coming my way and I kept pulling the trigger until the gun went click.
On the note of the 38/40 there is a very nice mode 92 clone at the local gun shop in 38/40 I’ve been thinking about picking up. Maybe I should go grab it.
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Post by Bullshop on Jan 9, 2022 11:47:58 GMT -7
Oh you would do that for me, How sweet!!! I saw some of the video of the moose and it looked like a have to situation to me.
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Post by todddoyka on Jan 9, 2022 12:33:48 GMT -7
great article!!!!!!!
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Post by Junior on Jan 9, 2022 12:35:35 GMT -7
I need something to play with while I heal up from this hand injury. Lot of down time as I can’t work my day job with the injury, nor can I do any snow plowing, so I have a lot of time on my hands right now and need a new toy.
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Post by Bullshop on Jan 9, 2022 13:44:58 GMT -7
Guess I'll have to wait for you to get bored with it. Something I wanted to add about the 9mm thingy is about an army ordinance report I read a long time ago. It was done just as we were entering ww2. They were testing the enemy handgun cartridge against our own. They were shooting live beef with the 9mm and 45 acp. What got my attention was that they stated that no beef lost its feet to the 9mm until they started on the third clip and in comparison no beef kept its feet for a full clip of 45 acp. That pretty much sums up the difference. Now we need the same test done with the 45 acp and the 10mm.
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Post by Junior on Jan 9, 2022 15:07:12 GMT -7
I wish it was easier to find old resources like that to study.
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Post by Bullshop on Jan 9, 2022 15:57:41 GMT -7
I am reading a great book right now titled "" The caplock muzzle loading rifle"" by Ned Roberts. There is much to learn from this book and not only about ML rifles. The historical record of the level of perfection in accuracy is enlightening and reveals how societally ignorant we are on the subject.
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Post by grasshopper on Jan 13, 2022 14:00:26 GMT -7
I may be a little late to the party but better late than never I suppose! Great article Jr! Very informative and to the point without a lot of the fluff some of the new “gun writers” seem to always include in their articles. Way back in 1987 I bought the very first 10mm pistol I ever saw, a Colt Delta Elite, basically it’s just a 1911 chambered in 10mm. I still own it today, the early 10mm loads were pretty stout to be sure! The 180gr Norma loads were on par with 41 mag specs to be sure. Supposedly there were a lot of problems with slides cracking on the Colt pistols and also most folks without much experience shooting just couldn’t handle the recoil from the early loads and in short order they were reduced to what I would say are 40 S&W plus p specs. I’ve never had any issues with my slide cracking but I probably have only put 500 rounds max thru my pistol in all these years. When i shot it now mostly just to punch paper I shoot 40 S&W rounds thru it because they are super cheap around here and I’m super surprised at how accurate and pleasant they are to shoot out of my pistol. I’ll agree for sure it’s no 44 mag but with some of those early Norma loads I still have I wouldn’t feel undergunned if I were to pack it fishing up in AK again.
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Post by missionary on Jan 13, 2022 14:44:32 GMT -7
I read Ned Roberts book about 10 years ago. That is a wealth of ML information.
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Post by Junior on Jan 14, 2022 8:54:41 GMT -7
I actually dropped a moose with this pistol a couple weeks ago. We got about 4 feet of snow in a freak storm, and middle of the storm it warmed up and rained for a day, and then continued to snow for a week. This resulted in 2-3 feet of snow and then a 3” layer of ice, and then another 2’ of snow on top. Moose are having a terrible time and dying by the hundreds And are being very possessive of plowed areas like roads and driveways. Several people here in delta have been stomped as they are being very aggressive.
Anyway. Pulled in the driveway from work, and there was a young bull in my driveway. As I pulled in, he ran around the back of the house, which has a trail plowed around and a plowed area for the dogs to run around so I figured he would stay back there and I could go in the front door. Wrong. As soon as I got out of the truck, he came running around the corner of the house head down, ears back. I had the 10mm on, and dropped my lunch box and all that, pulled the pistol and put 1 round over the top of his head trying to get him to turn. He turned to the left, looked the other way for a minute, continued all the way around and laid his ears back and I knew he was coming. He was only about 20’ away at that time and as soon as he started moving I shot him and he fell about 4’ from me. In the heat of the moment I didn’t realize it, but I had fired 11 rounds from that 10mm. Looked down after to holster the gun and the slide was locked back. All 11 rounds found their target. 4 of them fully penetrated the head. I gained a lot of respect for the 10mm that night.
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Post by Bullshop on Jan 14, 2022 11:24:24 GMT -7
How many rounds went in your drawers.?
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Post by missionary on Jan 14, 2022 12:58:10 GMT -7
That was a good test for a 10MM ! What rounds were loaded in it ?
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Post by Junior on Jan 14, 2022 16:30:08 GMT -7
Nothing special actually. I had it loaded with CCI blazer (brass case) 180gn ball ammo. I do think the 10mm has a distinct advantage over the 45 and 9mm with the fact that ball ammo uses a flat nose bullet.
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Post by missionary on Jan 14, 2022 18:51:28 GMT -7
That is good penetration with a FN 180gn bullet. Best part is they got the job done with you still standing. You should forward the story to CCI. They just might send you a coffee cup or a hat.
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