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Post by 450 on Sept 14, 2020 9:38:04 GMT -7
Do you have 33 WCF brass? Its cost per 50>?
Re-formed from 45-70
or 40-65?
Thanks-450fuller
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Post by Bullshop on Sept 14, 2020 11:47:57 GMT -7
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Post by 450 on Sept 15, 2020 15:32:25 GMT -7
I would prefer to order direct from you folks. Easier-convenient for me.
I would like a box of 20 -33 WCF brass cases. $36.00 plus any extra required.
Looks like your case necks have been annealed. Good. (registered as 450Fuller-but some sign in difficulties occurred)
Thanks-
Lt Col Ridge Marriott
(205) 330-0179
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Post by Bullshop on Sept 15, 2020 19:26:18 GMT -7
Shipping for 20 or more is $8.50 Please make checks to The Bullshop and send to,
The Bullshop
PO box 240030
Dell, MT 59724
With your payment please be sure to include a note with the details of your order,
Thank you for the order!
The Bullshop
Would also like to point out that we also offer 33 WCF loaded ammo as well as 200gn and 250gn component bullets.
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Post by 450 on Sept 28, 2020 2:40:54 GMT -7
I have had good luck with the discontinued Hornady 338 FP bullets.
For deer-bear, Hawk Bullets makes an excellent 200 gr FP similar to the 348 WCF
bullet they also make. Soft annealed copper jackets which work well and hold cores together similar to bonded core bullets.
Gas checks for lead bullets are a touchy subject -but particularly with lever action 1886 rifles.
I had a very bad experience with a 338-06 GC bullet-where the gas check came off the base of the bullet and caused
a pressure excursion, damaging a pre-64 Model 70 rifle. So, no more gas checks on lead bullets-especially on bottle neck cartridges.
Maybe much safer with straight wall cases. With paper patched or Sharps velocities, we are safe. A lever action rifle has very little safety margin-
so I do not use gas checks in the 33 WCF caliber at all-no lead cast bullets in the 33 WCF. No guarantee -even with crimped GCs. Best to err on the side of caution.
Thanks
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Post by Bullshop on Sept 28, 2020 7:20:14 GMT -7
Personally after countless tens of thousands of rounds of gas checked bullets fired from all manner of cartridges both bottle neck and straight wall cases I have never had any negative damaging effect caused by the gas check. Just as here I have heard about it but never personally seen it.
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Post by missionary on Sept 28, 2020 8:23:08 GMT -7
About the only way I an imagine a GC getting stuck in a barrel would be with a fast burning pistol powder that was pressure wise completely dead and the slug already de-excellerating with a loose GC.
We also have fired many thousands of our home brewed GC cast and never had an issue.
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Post by Bullshop on Sept 28, 2020 13:35:28 GMT -7
I guess I should add that I have always avoided Lyman gas checks for the fact that they do not crimp on. I have for going on 20 years now been using Gator checks and as they advertise , THE CHECKS WITH BITE they do crimp on tightly.
For many years with Hornady gas checks there was an issue in 40 and 45 caliber with poorly fitting checks. Gator Checks now offers 4 different sizes in 40 caliber and two in 45 caliber.
Custom mold makers now ask what size GC shank you want on your 40 cal mold and if you ask for other than Gator you may regret it.
The issue with 45 caliber is that there is 45 pistol at .451" and 45 rifle at .458" diameters. Sizing the same size gas check to both diameters can result in a loose check at the larger diameter. Gator Checks has solved that problem with a specially designated 458 gas check for rifles and a 45 check for pistol. The 458 checks absolutely crimps tightly for rifle use even at the larger diameters of .459" and .460"
Like Kenny Rodgers said, ""
If your gonna play the game boy you better learn to play it right ""
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Post by 450 on Sept 29, 2020 20:26:35 GMT -7
The process as explained to me by an older experienced gunsmith after examining the
case and rifle. The Lyman gas check came off the base of the bullet and joined the IMR 4064
rifle powder charge in the case. The force of the expanding gas from the powder
launched the gas check in the direction of the interior neck as the bullet was entering
the barrel . Before the bullet left the barrel, the Gas check formed an obstruction in the case neck area
creating a pressure excursion-spiking chamber pressure: as the cartridge was forced to deal with both chamber pressure and spiked
interior case pressure. The case could not handle the excessive pressure and failed near the base, damaging the rifle. (Extractor replaced-now good as new).
I have had no problems using cast bullets in the 45-70 and 450 Alaskan without gas checks. I prefer
to err on the side of caution in my 50 years of handloading. There are old pilots and bold pilots-but not both.
I like to keep playing the game, and always hunt with premium jacketed bullets if bears are around. Grizzlies have no sense of humor.
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