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Post by 4given on Apr 30, 2020 9:34:00 GMT -7
I installed a Williams FP sight on my Marlin 1894 .357 and the sight will not adjust all the way down before coming up against the left hand corner of the receiver. (See attached pictures) Is this normal? Missionary have you seen this problem on any of your Marlins? Even if it would come all the way down the rifle still shoot way too high. I need to order a taller front sight. I tried to call Williams customer service but they are completely shut down due to Covid19. I sent them an email but have not received a reply so far. With them closed down I am not sure when I could order a taller sight. I'm thinking of sending it back to Brownells and going a different direction.    |
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Post by missionary on May 1, 2020 6:34:33 GMT -7
Good morning Brother
If you so desire you could remove the sight and file that bottom sight corner but again your rifle is shooting to high so no leave it be.
The higher sight is your solution or.....
Push that slug faster. Less barrel time is less muzzle rise.
Or grab the front stock just like you would normally shooting not on the bench and see where the real impact will be. Rest your front hand on the bag.
Most of my shooting to include sighting in I do sitting in the dirt shooting off cross sticks with my off hand resting on the leather strap gripping the front wood. When I stand, or kneel or sit to shoot my groups are always in the same area. Having done this for years my shooting from cross sticks is near as good as I can shoot off a bench and my body is much less troubled with recoil.
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Post by 4given on May 1, 2020 15:19:35 GMT -7
Good morning Brother If you so desire you could remove the sight and file that bottom sight corner but again your rifle is shooting to high so no leave it be. The higher sight is your solution or..... Push that slug faster. Less barrel time is less muzzle rise. Or grab the front stock just like you would normally shooting not on the bench and see where the real impact will be. Rest your front hand on the bag. Most of my shooting to include sighting in I do sitting in the dirt shooting off cross sticks with my off hand resting on the leather strap gripping the front wood. When I stand, or kneel or sit to shoot my groups are always in the same area. Having done this for years my shooting from cross sticks is near as good as I can shoot off a bench and my body is much less troubled with recoil. Thanks for the advice Brother Mike. You have been with me the whole way in my quest for a lever carbine in a pistol caliber that I will like. First the Rossi 44 and now this Marlin. Thanks so much! Mike, I ended up sending the Williams FP back to Brownells for a refund today and ordered a Skinner Express with a tall front sight I can file down. I decided that all the loads I developed for this rifle all shoot to the same POA/POI so I will not need the adjustability that the FP receiver sight offers anyway. Once I have the sight dialed in I will not need to adjust it much. Plus I do love the way the the Skinner Express looks on a Marlin 1894! Looks like it grew on there naturally! LOL I will also remove the stock Marlin factory rear sight and install a Skinner plug in the dovetail. It should have nice clean lines, look good and shoot good! |
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Post by missionary on May 2, 2020 9:52:26 GMT -7
Good morning Brother
That sounds like the best solution. Something I plumb forgot .. Start looking for a Ranch Dog mold in .357 If my thinking is correct NOE molds is selling their brand. The RD molds were designed for Marlin chambers. They are the best bet going.
Contact Dan (Bullshop) as he might have one he casts with.
If not I have one. We are hoping to be able to leave Peru soon but look down will be until the end of this month. We bought tickets in January but all flights are cancelled at least until June.. maybe longer as the #19 deaths are starting to get high fast. But God knows.
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Post by Bullshop on May 2, 2020 13:20:02 GMT -7
I will add my $00.02 although its likely not worth face value. My preference in a peep sight for the Marlin is for the Lyman sight. The reason is that the Lyman sight has a feature I believe the others do not have and that is the quick disconnect button to the adjuster screw. That little button allows quick adjustment to the sight staff height. Just like the Williams the Lyman has the calibrated staff. With the calibrated staff and some shooting practice to know the range settings you can quickly adjust the sight to any range out to its maximum setting. Then after the shot you can quickly go back to your zero setting either by watching the staff calibrations or by the use of the zero stop screw built into the sight.
Its really hard to guess the hold for a shot that is longer than the sights zero in a non quick adjust such as the Williams. With the Lyman as long as you know the settings is just takes a couple seconds to adjust for a zero hold at any range within the sight adjustment range.
I have another sight on my Marlin 45-70 that is also a quick adjust but completely different. It has range settings in ten yard increments starting at 100 yards and ending at 200 yards. The sight works on a cam that matches the ark of a 425gn bullet at 1600 fps MV. There were to be changeable cams for different cartridges and different loads for the same cartridge. This is a prototype sight I was testing but unfortunately the inventor passed just after I received the sight. This sight is really fast to use. It has a knurled dial with ranges indicated on the dial. To use just spin the dial to the desired range aim and shoot. Maybe if the Missus is in a good mood I can get her to post a pic. The sight was patent pending but with the passing of the maker I have no idea of the status of the patent. Too bad too because its a darn good sight for lever guns in traditional chamberings.
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Post by 4given on May 2, 2020 16:54:12 GMT -7
Thanks for the tips guys. Brother Mike I don’t think I’m going to cast for this rifle. Maybe after I retire but I gave up casting a few years ago. The last rifle I casted for was a 54 cal Hawken. Anyway, the jacketed bullets shoot so well in this rifle I think I’ll just stick with them. Hope you can get a flight back home! I’ll pray for you.
Bullshop, thanks for the info on the Lyman sight. If I ever get a 45/70 or something similar I’ll keep that in mind. I don’t think I’ll shoot this .357 much more than 100 yards so I think the Skinner will do fine. I got this rifle for close in work.
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Post by Bullshop on May 2, 2020 18:05:25 GMT -7
This is the prototype sight I mentioned. I was wrong in my earlier description of this sight. I said it was calibrated in 10 yard increments but it is actually calibrated in 5 yard increments. Attachments:
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Post by missionary on May 3, 2020 6:58:58 GMT -7
Good morning
That is one sight that sadly never made it to production. I wonder what would be the cost today.....
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Post by 4given on May 3, 2020 7:37:36 GMT -7
This is the prototype sight I mentioned. I was wrong in my earlier description of this sight. I said it was calibrated in 10 yard increments but it is actually calibrated in 5 yard increments. Wow! That is some sight! How cool I that! I wonder how many are out there? Not many I would guess. |
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Post by Bullshop on May 3, 2020 10:49:57 GMT -7
This one will someday belong to Jr. as he has laid claim on B00 the 45-70 it is attached to.
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Post by missionary on May 3, 2020 15:29:58 GMT -7
Your son made a good choice there...
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Post by Bullshop on May 3, 2020 17:21:33 GMT -7
Me and ol B00 have put in some miles and years together. We are like best friends. Its a best friend that has saved me from certain harm twice. Once from a wounded grizzly and once from a really mad moose. Both times were instinctive reactions but I am not sure they were mine. Best kind of friend to have !
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Post by missionary on May 4, 2020 5:56:12 GMT -7
Have you wrote up the moose story here ?
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Post by Bullshop on May 4, 2020 7:30:12 GMT -7
No Sir I don't believe I have but the vision of those seething red eyes I looked into just as she dropped her head to butt me away from her dead calf are burned into my memory forever.
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Post by missionary on May 4, 2020 8:23:37 GMT -7
Yea.... Some moments in life get permanetly engraved in the memory. Some are even funny today.
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Post by Bullshop on May 4, 2020 11:46:10 GMT -7
I doubt I will ever recall that event humorously. It was a most extraordinary heart shot entering the center of the forehead traveling up the windpipe and clipping off the top of the heart. I was down on one knee looking upwards at her coming at me and just as she dropped her head either me or B00 I'm not sure which went for a brain shot to stop her. Well we missed the brain the bullet passing just under due to the steep upward angle but it did disorient her long enough to bleed out from the heart shot. That was a very close one endearing me even more still to B00 and the wide heavy bullets it throws.
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Post by missionary on May 4, 2020 17:18:01 GMT -7
Maybe we need a thread for close critter encounters. Probably in hunting stories...
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Post by Junior on May 19, 2020 1:49:40 GMT -7
![]() ![]() I’ve shyed completely away from using the side mount sights on my lever guns after discovering skinner sights. I have skinners on all my lever guns currently. New production Marlins are no longer drilled and tapped on the side anyway. As far as needing a taller front, call Andy Larsson with skinner sights and tell him what’s going on and tell him Daniel Congiolosi sent you and he will hook you up. I’ve never had to wait more then about 4 days for a package from them even here in Alaska. unfortunately I can not figure out how to post a photo from my phone, but you can check out their website. |
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Post by todddoyka on May 19, 2020 8:03:49 GMT -7
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Post by Junior on May 19, 2020 12:38:15 GMT -7
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Post by Junior on May 19, 2020 12:39:32 GMT -7
This one will someday belong to Jr. as he has laid claim on B00 the 45-70 it is attached to. I’ve been seriously looking at buying a lever action 45/70 lately joe that I’m back in AK, but every time I handle one it just ain’t B00 and I end up putting it back. |
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Post by missionary on May 19, 2020 12:43:12 GMT -7
We have a pile of Skinners sitting waiting to get installed if we can ever leave Peru.
Can book on a "special Flight" for only double what the normal fee is.... And we already bought tickets in January to fly 26 May which was cancelled two months ago.
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