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Post by todddoyka on Jul 10, 2019 11:28:16 GMT -7
i was never in a hurry but stupid  brings the wrong cartridges for the range. "stupid is as stupid does." - forrest gump  |
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Post by todddoyka on Jul 23, 2019 13:19:40 GMT -7
this afternoon i fire formed the 35/30 and the williams fp sight in. . i was using a 200gr fn gc and 20.0gr of 2400/tuft of dacron that goes 1726fps avg. my groups ranged from 1 3/4 - 2 1/2" groups at 100 yards(5 shoots/benched). i would run 3 shots at 3/4 - 1 1/4" at 100 yards. JES Reboring has another life long customer!!!!
i guessed that 20gr of 2400 was around 1700fps and danged if i'm right. that will be enuff for deer. i'm going to go 21 - 22gr of 2400, just to see if it goes up to 1800fps. but i think that 1726fps and an average 2 - 2 1/4" at 100 yards will be hard to beat. my average shot will be 50+/- yards at the deer/black bear.
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Post by missionary on Jul 23, 2019 17:08:35 GMT -7
Corn crunchers have been popped with a lot less and fed the families. With that accuracy you should be able to pop the heart with each shot.
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Post by todddoyka on Aug 31, 2019 7:13:25 GMT -7
i was rubishing around my reloading desk and i found my 35/30 second target. the first target was about the lead meeting barrel, they got along pretty good. i shot the second target when the late one evening trying to zero it in. 35/30 in win m94 williams peep sight 100 yards 200gr fn gc (made from the bull shop!!!) 20.0gr of 2400/.6+/-gr of dacron  sorry about the picture, its all wavy. if you can see number 3, right of number 3 is two shots....i'm must've ate carrots for supper because 2 in the hole using peep sights is phenomenal for me!!! number 5 is only one shot, daylight was waned and kaput!!! but it was on center, so i go with that. i'd show more targets, but i threw them away. if theres money left from the gunsmith ( d&t, bend the bolt handle....on my husky), i'd like to order some 270gr Bullshop Stomper. i think that they would do well with my JES rebore. |
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Post by Bullshop on Aug 31, 2019 8:15:25 GMT -7
Some guns act domesticated right from the start and show an easy going nature with most anything then others act like finicky thoroughbreds refusing all efforts and accepting only their choices. This one looks to be very well mannered.
Some bullet designs act in a similar fashion. Our 270gn 35 caliber design has proven to have a mild mannered nature and performing in a well behaved manner in a variety of chamberings and rifling twist rates. A list of chamberings it has performed well in are 357 Herrett, 35 Remington, 358 Winchester, 9x57 Mauser, 35 Whelen, 350 Remington Magnum, and 358 Norma magnum. That is quite a wide range of chamberings and considering all the variations in throating that will exist between the number of rifles tested I am awfully impressed by the results.
I was so impressed with this 35 caliber design that I scaled it up for our 375 caliber design and in 375 caliber it has shown an equal acceptance in a wide range of chamberings in that caliber.
Thoroughbreds can deliver performance beyond the set standards but they can be finicky but a dependable workhorse is something you can always count on. As for our 35/270 and 375/370 bullet designs I have to label them as dependable work horse designs ready willing and able to please.
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Post by todddoyka on Sept 5, 2019 11:17:49 GMT -7
 i shot this at 100 yards. 37 shots on fire forming 35/30. 200gr fn gc 20.0gr of 2400/.6gr of dacron 1726fps avg win m94 it was hard for me to see the red center, as you can see!!!!!!!! i'm better off using homemade targets. |
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Post by Bullshop on Sept 5, 2019 14:14:43 GMT -7
All look like heart shots to me. Here is an interesting coincidence, yesterday I was fiddling with the 1886 in 33 wcf trying for a load that will be adequate for deer at close range but easy enough shooting that my youngest girls will not shy away from it. I dug into my 1947 edition Funk & Wagnalls Complete Guide To Handloading by Philip B. Sharpe. In it I found a load for the 33 wcf with a 195 gn cast bullet using 20gn of Sharpshooter powder. I had many years ago included in the book a conversion chart for many of the old powders and their replacement powders. My chart shows the replacement for Sharpshooter powder as being Hercules 2400 . I then substituted Hercules 2400 at 20gn with the RCBS 200gn FN-GC. In this it was my good fortune to have discovered to date the most accurate load in this 33 wcf.
Interesting that we both used the same powder, charge, and bullet weight. A 4 shot string over my chrono gave, 1574, 1568, 1581, 1587 fps readings. Your smaller volume case and slightly larger caliber will account for your higher average velocity.
We have a 1/4" thick mild steel gong set at 100 yards and this load almost makes it through leaving a deep dent and a wide crack across the center nearly breaking through. I have cleanly killed numerous deer with a 357 mag revolver with less bullet weight at lower velocity so this too should do fine with good shot placement.
In our deer stand next to our house shots are very close and at a very steep downward angle so shot placement should be easy considering I have a bench with sand bags in the tree stand, kind of a deluxe model tree stand. A fall from the stand would put a person in the Red Rock river so you know it is a white tail runway right under that big cottonwood tree.
Another interesting use for almost the same load is in our model 71 in 348 wcf. The 33 did so well with the 20gn 2400/200gn bullet that today I tried it in the 348. The 348 having a larger volume case than the 33 and being .010" larger in caliber diameter I upped the charge to 21.5gn 2400 but went with the same 200gn bullet weight. Bingo another good performing moderate load that is right there with your 1726 av. fps. Until today I have had only bad luck with this bullet weight in the 348. Its from an old Ideal mold that I am not sure if it was originally intended for the 351 SL or the 348 but regardless of what its intended purpose was it is now in use in the big lever gun model 71 in 348 as a young girl friendly moderate range deer stand load and fits the bill nicely.
Come to think of it over the years that 20gn 2400 has proven to be a good load in quite a range of chamberings. I bet Elmer knew that !
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Post by missionary on Sept 5, 2019 14:50:12 GMT -7
Looks like that load is near ready to go hunting. Maybe just a little tweeking up or down a couple tenths and you will have a ragged hole.
Well I have to agree that 2400 and old lever rifles seem to get together just fine.
Going to have to try 2400 in our 33 next time north. I am thinking 4198 gave the best accuracy so far but it is not a great group.
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Post by Bullshop on Sept 5, 2019 15:41:11 GMT -7
We didn't shoot for record targets with the 33 20gn 2400/200 load so used what was already up but it seemed like there were a number of shots that were close to 2 moa but I would say all tole an honest 3 moa. Several times shots went into other holes so it was hard to tell because we had more shots fired than new holes made. The target was getting pretty shot up by then. When ever doubt arose switching to the steel gong always had center hits so those hard to find holes on paper must have been close. I feel pretty good about shooting 3 moa at 100 yards with the original buckhorn sight on the 33.
Three moa for a 100 yard rifle is good-nuf for filling deer tags.
OH BTW I just found out I drew an either sex antelope tag for my home unit. That gives me one elk, two deer, and one antelope tag to fill for this season all in my home unit.
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Post by todddoyka on Sept 5, 2019 18:18:53 GMT -7
i tried to use CAST BULLET LOADS FOR MILITARY RIFLES by C.E. Harris. i used 16.0 - 20.0gr of 2400 in my 35/30. i use 24.0gr of 2400 with a 300gr fn gc with my 444 marlin, i used 16.0gr as my starting point and i got up to 25.5gr. i don't know the CUP or the psi, so i decided to quit while the quittins good!!! 20.0gr - 21.5 or 22.0gr is about the furthest that i would push the 35/30, but 20.0gr is good enuff fer me. i have 12lbs of 2400, so i "have to" get rid of it.....lol.
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Post by Bullshop on Sept 5, 2019 19:24:02 GMT -7
12 pounds of 2400 !!! NICE !!! Lets see that's 12 times 7000 = 84000, then divided by 20 = 4200 shots. Yea that's a comforting feeling.
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Post by todddoyka on Sept 6, 2019 12:30:01 GMT -7
i used to use it in ruger srh(7.5" barrel) in 44 mag. i used to be able to shoot a fly's dingus off from 100 yards. now i'm lucky to shoot 50 yards and its a 3 - 4" group(ruger sbh in 44 mag, 4 5/8" barrel).
i bought 16lbs of 2400(2 8lbs jugs, unopened) from my buddy. my buddy, ordered them up from powder valley, had a friend ready to buy the jugs, but at the last minute he wasn't(my buddy paid for them, he was a little angry). not long after, he came to my house and he said, i got a bunch of 2400 to sell, you interested? yep i says, thinking he got a couple of pounds, how much? what do have? he said. well, i only got $100. deal, he says. i went to get the $100 and he goes to get 2400 from his truck. i was astounded that he had two 8lbs jugs!!!! i said, no, i can't pay for for 2 8lbs jugs, i can't pay you for one!!! he goes to me, i said deal and i ain't going back on my word. so give me the $100 and you got two 8 lbs. so i did. then he tells me the story of the 2400.
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brings the wrong cartridges for the range. 
