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Post by todddoyka on May 24, 2019 14:07:39 GMT -7
next week i'm going to get a 1922 OVIEDO MODEL 1893 SPANISH RIFLE SPORTERIZED in 7x57 that i'm going to a 257 bob. and a MAUSER MODEL GEWEHR 98 SPORTER RIFLE 7.92x57 that "has" to rechambered. a 7x57 i've already done. not to knock off a 7x57, i think a 7 mauser is the bees knees. i have killed more deer than i count with '98 in 7 mauser. i have built a 7 mauser with a 20" douglas, timney trigger, d&t a burris mount, put on 3-9x swift(when you could go over the counter guarantee) and a fajen stock. i gave it to my oldest son, who continues the tradition. i should build a 7 mauser again, but.......... the 257 bob will be a next years project, this years funds will be giving to JES on a win m94 in 35/30-30 and to GOSTOMSKI’S GUNSMITH SERVICE to do my husky m46 in 9.3x57(bend the bolt/d&t...). so i'm in no hurry to do a '98 mauser. i'm thinking that a 98 mauser will be a cast boolit shooter that kicks no harder than a 30-06 with 180gr factory load. its speed should be somewhere in realm of 1700-2000fps. i've been "thinking"(i gotta stop doin that!!!!  ) of a 9.5x57, 375 bench rest(br), 375-284, 375-08... or do i just go with 7 mauser or the 6.5x57? |
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Post by todddoyka on May 24, 2019 14:59:49 GMT -7
i just happen to have 6.5 creedmoor cases that i don't have a use for. a 375-6.5cm(30 tc)...........
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Post by Bullshop on May 24, 2019 15:42:29 GMT -7
The only sensible solution to the which cartridge dilemma that can possibly eliminate chambering remorse is of course to have one (or more) of each. Did you know that in Germany immediately after the end of WWII there was an ordinance passed that German citizens could not possess arms chambered for military cartridges. This ordinance gave birth to and created business opportunities for re-boring the readily available 8x57 Mausers to 9x57 Mausers. In my personal testing of the 358 Win, 9x57 Mauser, and 35 Whelen I found as I had expected that in ballistic performance the 9x57 falls precisely between the 358 and 35 Whelen. I should mention that the 9x57 I tested had a barrel groove diameter of .358" and so was tested with the same bullets as the 358 and 35 Whelen.
Another tidbit of info you may already know is that also after the war the US gov. was successfully sued by the Mauser brothers for international patent rights infringements for copying the 98 model Mauser in the US 1903 Springfield. Anyway the 9x57 is a simple neck up from either the 7x57 or 8x57 case.
Did I make ya think again?
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Post by todddoyka on May 24, 2019 19:35:35 GMT -7
ouch!!!!!!! my head hurts!!!!!!!  |
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Post by todddoyka on May 29, 2019 12:17:10 GMT -7
   last nite i went to pick her up from my ffl. i just found some history on her. she was made in 1944 in the Mauser AG Oberndorf factory. it has an eagle above the swastika and some other symbol that is quite small. it looks like an E on its side(m) but i'm not sure. the numbers don't match but......i now have it along with my '93 spanish mauser. |
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Post by Bullshop on May 29, 2019 13:18:54 GMT -7
Looks just like my 9x57. Is that just a coincidence or not ? I think not !!!
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Post by todddoyka on May 31, 2019 8:56:19 GMT -7
my distant cousin!!!! 9.3x57 husqvarna m46(1936 or '37, i forget)   left is an unfired 9.3x57(8x57 ppu), right is a fired 9.3x57(8x57 ppu)  |
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Post by Bullshop on May 31, 2019 9:30:46 GMT -7
The Husqvarna is my favorite of all the model 98 Mausers. My personal favorite is a pre war with Euro style 27" barrel, same drift adjustable rear sight your showing chambered for the 375 Whelen. Oh dang there I go again muddying up the water on caliber selection. As said by my boys upon discovery of their guilt, "" I didn't mean to I wasn't trying ""
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Post by todddoyka on Jun 1, 2019 13:45:46 GMT -7
simpsons didn't have the husky m146('98 mauser) but they did have the husky m46('94-96 mauser?). so i bought it. its a small ring mauser, that i'll be happy to have. the swedish steel is on par or even better than german steel. i used to be of the opinion which bolt action is best? 1. 1898 springfield armory 2. 1898 german mauser 3. win pre '64 m70. now its the 1. 1898 spr armory 2. husqvarna m46 3. 1898 german mauser. i must be gettin older !!! using over 100 y.o. cartridges !!! don't i know that the deer has chobham armor and that it is impossible to penetrate with such puny cartridges. i should use a 347 superdooper magnumitis on a 2019 remwinrugage bolt action!!!  with a horbarneer that is 273 gr boat tail homogeneous with a shock-ballistic tip that goes 7000fps. i have gotten the 98 mauser down to two cartridges. a 375 benchrest(whisper) or 7x57 mauser. the 375br should be a hunting round, i don't benchrest much!!! i don't like suppressors much either. the 375 br will be supersonic. i'm leaning a bit to the 7 mauser. i know it can kill deer, be as accurate as heck, it "kicks" like a baby on depressants...whats not to like. there i go again, using 100+y.o. cartridges again. teddy roosevelt would not be happy. general linares would be proud. |
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Post by Bullshop on Jun 1, 2019 15:41:28 GMT -7
7x57, 308, 30-06 are just a few of the boringly excellent cartridges.
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Post by todddoyka on Jun 1, 2019 17:46:39 GMT -7
i used to have them.
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Post by missionary on Jun 1, 2019 19:10:38 GMT -7
You might add the 50-70 to that list !
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Post by todddoyka on Jun 2, 2019 11:59:40 GMT -7
You might add the 50-70 to that list ! i thought about it!!!!  someone did a 45-70 on a siamese mauser, why not the 50-70? |
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Post by todddoyka on Jun 2, 2019 13:33:50 GMT -7
7x57, 308, 30-06 are just a few of the boringly excellent cartridges. the first rifle i purchased was in the '06(rem mountain rifle). the 308 win(rem m760) has killed deer and a black bear. then after i killed the bear, i would take the 308 out hunting and there was nothing in the woods. the next day, i was tripping on the deer to get to my spot!!! then she sat in the safe until i traded her on my ruger sbh(3 or 4 years ago). the 7 mauser was a deer magnet. i couldn't say nothing bad about the 7 mauser. my oldest son has the record for the longest shot(between us and the 7x57), a 201 yard, 1 shot on a 6 pt. i have shot a non-typical buck(20ish point) , that i consider a 6 pt. take your hands and put them on head so you look like a buck, thats(non-typical) what it looks like. its spread, i think, is around 8 or 9". not much to look at, but the points(hang a wedding ring) sure are nice. come to think about it, it was first buck(or doe) i shot with the 7 mauser. i have the antlers, but for life me, i can't remember WHERE!!!! right now, i choose the 7x57, but.............i gots this 6.5 creedmoor brass that i could neck up too .375"........i know, the 375-30tc has the reputation of being first. i've already necked 6.5cm to 9.3mm, i can neck her up .2mm (9.5mm or .375"). i don't have .375" reloading die, yet. or the 6.5x57.......i think this is going to drive me nuts!!!!!!! |
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Post by Bullshop on Jun 2, 2019 15:56:04 GMT -7
You might add the 50-70 to that list ! i thought about it!!!! someone did a 45-70 on a siamese mauser, why not the 50-70? The Siamese Mauser action is an 1898 Mauser with slanted box magazine for rimed cases. For awhile in the 70's-80's Navy Arms was converting some to 45-70. I sent two of the Navy Arms 45-70's on the Siamese Mauser action to Jess Ocumpaugh for re-boring to 50 AK, 50-2.1". At the time he had not yet done any of these to 50 AK so I supplied the reamer for the first two. It worked out so well that he now offers the 50 Ak as a standard re-bore conversion. The 50 AK on the Siamese Mauser becomes a 60,000 PSI launch platform and puts the cartridge up a few notches in performance over the lever action conversions on either the model 1886 or 71 Winchester or the 1895 Marlins. The lever actions top out at 40,000 ish PSI After using the Siamese 50 AK with near max loads ( 700gn bullet at near 2000 fps) I decided to back track and go back to the lever gun performance level ( 500gn bullet at near 2000 fps) and never feel under gunned in north America. |
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Post by missionary on Jun 2, 2019 18:20:42 GMT -7
A 700 grain at 2000 fps would be enough for my hide...
Actually a 525 at 1850 fps from our 26" octagon 86 (jap) in 50 AK is all the fun I need. That is with 53 grains of 4198. I have shot one slug each with 54 and 55 grains with no pressure issues. I just decided the extra "brain sloshing" to pick up 50 fps was not the wise investment.
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Post by Bullshop on Jun 2, 2019 18:47:41 GMT -7
Folks may find it amusing to learn that I used the 50-700-2000 load for splitting fire wood in Alaska. When ever I had rounds with large knots I would set them aside until extreme cold weather came. Anything lower than -30 is extreme and for this colder is better.
When the cold came I would stand up the wood rounds and aim directly at the knots. With a solid hit on the knot it would shatter and the wood would split or crack so splitting was easy. Fun way to do a hard job!
On one occasion I wanted to compare the visual effect of a well respected load the 30-06-180-2700 to the 50-700-2000 on a firewood round of about 18" in diameter. Firing the 30-06 first at the wood round lying down so shooting into end grain the wood round wiggled a wee bit and may have slid back a wee bit but otherwise didn't move. When shot with the 50-700-2000 load the wood round did a double endo down the driveway. The wood had been placed on top of a small rise in our driveway and the 50 tumbled it end over end out of site over the hill. That's a lota swoosh !
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Post by missionary on Jun 3, 2019 2:59:44 GMT -7
I like that target material for "Thwap" demonstration !
At our Danville area range the 200 yard gong (round 8" 1/2 inch ) near wraps the chain around the horizontal steel.
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Post by todddoyka on Jun 3, 2019 11:59:52 GMT -7
A 700 grain at 2000 fps would be enough for my hide... Actually a 525 at 1850 fps from our 26" octagon 86 (jap) in 50 AK is all the fun I need. That is with 53 grains of 4198. I have shot one slug each with 54 and 55 grains with no pressure issues. I just decided the extra "brain sloshing" to pick up 50 fps was not the wise investment. a 450gr lfn at 1235fps is good enuff for my hide!!!! mine is a tc encore with 23" MGM barrel in 500 linebaugh, i measure 16.5gr of hs-6 to have fun and take deer/black bear hunting. |
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Post by todddoyka on Jun 3, 2019 12:41:04 GMT -7
Folks may find it amusing to learn that I used the 50-700-2000 load for splitting fire wood in Alaska. When ever I had rounds with large knots I would set them aside until extreme cold weather came. Anything lower than -30 is extreme and for this colder is better. When the cold came I would stand up the wood rounds and aim directly at the knots. With a solid hit on the knot it would shatter and the wood would split or crack so splitting was easy. Fun way to do a hard job! On one occasion I wanted to compare the visual effect of a well respected load the 30-06-180-2700 to the 50-700-2000 on a firewood round of about 18" in diameter. Firing the 30-06 first at the wood round lying down so shooting into end grain the wood round wiggled a wee bit and may have slid back a wee bit but otherwise didn't move. When shot with the 50-700-2000 load the wood round did a double endo down the driveway. The wood had been placed on top of a small rise in our driveway and the 50 tumbled it end over end out of site over the hill. That's a lota swoosh ! when i was about 12y.o., every weekend was about wood. it didn't matter if it was summer or winter time, me and dad had the job to do. he bought an old farmhouse that wasn't insulated and oil (heat) was too expensive to heat. the first winter, we froze(on oil heat). the next summer, he got a wood burner(cast iron and air blowers). weekends are for fun, not me!!! weekends are for wood. i hated weekends!!!!! the only flaw in his plans was the wood burner would heat the living room up, but not the rest of the house!!!! going to the bathroom was a chore in itself. go upstairs to bed? nope, your breathe would freeze. when wintertime came, we all go into the living room. for 4 or 5 years we did this, until my dad got a coal furnace. i loved the coal furnace, even tho i had to shovel coal into the house(about 8 - 11 tons, depends on the weather). a few years ago, the coal furnace had died and he got a gas furnace installed. we did insulate the house, over several years. |
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Post by Bullshop on Jun 3, 2019 16:21:58 GMT -7
We have a similar situation where when its cold everyone stays by the stove even the dogs. We do have three wood stoves in our house though one in the living room, kitchen, and basement and when its really cold all are going. One is a cook stove in the kitchen but it sure heats too.
To remedy the cold bed issue we keep bricks on the stove all day then at bedtime wrap them in towels and put them at the foot of the bed under the covers. This is how I was raised as a kid and never have had reason to change.
The fact that before I was a bullet man my career was as a timber faller so I guess I might have an edge on most fire wood cutters. Falling the tree in a favorable direction regardless of its predominant lean makes the job easier. I get trees that others leave because they are leaning down hill away from the road. If they fall in the directing of the lean they will be tough to get to the road. On the other hand if they are felled in the road they are ever so much easier to work up and get loaded. God groomed me for this all through life. If we had to heat any other way we would have to sacrifice some other non essential luxury like eating because we couldn't afford both.
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Post by todddoyka on Jun 4, 2019 10:24:14 GMT -7
We have a similar situation where when its cold everyone stays by the stove even the dogs. We do have three wood stoves in our house though one in the living room, kitchen, and basement and when its really cold all are going. One is a cook stove in the kitchen but it sure heats too. To remedy the cold bed issue we keep bricks on the stove all day then at bedtime wrap them in towels and put them at the foot of the bed under the covers. This is how I was raised as a kid and never have had reason to change. The fact that before I was a bullet man my career was as a timber faller so I guess I might have an edge on most fire wood cutters. Falling the tree in a favorable direction regardless of its predominant lean makes the job easier. I get trees that others leave because they are leaning down hill away from the road. If they fall in the directing of the lean they will be tough to get to the road. On the other hand if they are felled in the road they are ever so much easier to work up and get loaded. God groomed me for this all through life. If we had to heat any other way we would have to sacrifice some other non essential luxury like eating because we couldn't afford both. may God bless you. i was a water/sewer main construction guy. i and my dad used to a laborer and heavy equipment operator. whether is was summer or winter, we worked. since "my younger days" , i got "immune"(don't know the word) from the cold. heat, on the other hand, i sweat.......ALOT. just the idea of work, makes me sweat . i hate sleeping in heat, but i love sleeping in the cold. should i commit myself to the loony bin? |
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Post by todddoyka on Jun 7, 2019 11:10:35 GMT -7
7x57, 308, 30-06 are just a few of the boringly excellent cartridges.
what does a 170gr lee cruise missile look like? is it a flat nose? gas check? hollow point?
is your 6.5mm loverin gas checked?
this will be next years or little later rifle. i got enuff on my plate to deal with, but i do like rifle pie !!!
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) of a 9.5x57, 375 bench rest(br), 375-284, 375-08...
with a horbarneer that is 273 gr boat tail homogeneous with a shock-ballistic tip that goes 7000fps. 
