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Post by todddoyka on Sept 16, 2017 17:01:21 GMT -7
i have a win m94(1973 i believe) in 30-30. it was my first deer gun, first to a buck(spike) and first to a doe. it was an absolute horror for deer. i don't know how many i killed, but i put her away years ago. then a couple of months ago i decided to bring her out. now i have the 30-40 krag with a 165gr ranch dog(thanks to bullshop) and i do luv it. i don't need another 30cal, so i decided to make my m94 either a 35/30-30 or a 38-55. (JES will probably do it) i'll have to wait a bit, like 3 or 4 months....it will take me that long to save up(i'm on a limited income..i.e. disabled).
i want a 250-280gr boolit going roughly 1600(or less)-1800fps. also i am hoping that the boolit will go 150 yards to kill deer/black bear(50 yards seems more likely, but i'll take 150 yards). the m94 will be "truck" gun. i'll be able to shot soda cans, targets, deer and black bear.
and it must be h4198 or rel7, because i have enuff!!!!
i want a 35/30 in my m94, but i'll take a 38-55. what do you all say?
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Post by missionary on Sept 17, 2017 7:29:44 GMT -7
Good morning
We have several JES Rebored 38-55's. All are very accurate. 38-55 is easy to aquire from Starline Brass. Dies are everywhere. 38-55 will do easily do the 280 grainers. H4198 is an old standard excellent powder in the straight wall cases. We use it happily in our 38"s.
35/30-30 are custom Dies ($$$) and brass is easy to make. A 250-280 grainer... You can do it but you better let JES know what you desire so he uses the 1-10 twist. That is a very heavy slug for slower twist. You would be better served to go that heavy in your 30-40. We have several 30-40 (30 Gov) rifles and 280 grainers are easy. It is the OAL in the 1894 action that is going to have a lot of bullet down below the case neck on the 35/30-30. May not matter as you are looking at mediums pressure.
For corn crunchers no issue. But a bear... I want the biggest hole possible within reason. The 38 will give more "thwap" on target. But the 35/30-30 is near equal to the 35 Remington that has taken train loads of blackies out of Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota..... you will not be badly served with a 220 grain FN cast in the 35/30-30. But again heavier cast is real easy in the 38-55. It will easily whop deer and Blackies at 150 yards if you hit them right.
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Post by Bullshop on Sept 17, 2017 21:37:07 GMT -7
My choice would be the 38-55 with a 12" twist. For all the same reasons previously stated. My personal opinion is that if ever there were a perfect middle bore it is the 38 caliber. I shoot a 350gn LBT LFN from the 38-55 at about 1600 fps and it is a bone smashing load that will penetrate beyond belief.
There is nothing at all wrong with 35 caliber and at one time I felt that the 35 Whelen was the cartridge that would replace all others but that was until I started shooting a 375 Whelen now the 35 is a fading memory.
Truth is that both on the same platform will be very effective but for equal bullet weights the 38 cal will have an edge on power because it will be capable of higher velocity for any given bullet weight.. Either will serve well especially with cast bullets but for me I would go with the 38 cal.
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Post by todddoyka on Sept 18, 2017 8:15:56 GMT -7
but i wanna 35/50!!!!!   you guys are probably right, a 38-55 seems to be the better choice. what grain of boolit do you consider? a 250gr fn gc or a 275gr fn gc(i'm sorta leaning that way) or a 350gr lfn? and what twist rate? what alloy should i choose? my m94 will be for deer/black bear(about 150 yards or less, more like 50 yards or less) and targets of opportunity . i'm asking because i have to order it from bullshop  . i believe that JES does .375" bore. |
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Post by missionary on Sept 18, 2017 16:16:15 GMT -7
The best option .... get one of each.
I have never regretted getting into caliber 38 rifles. Although it would have been far easier on my emotions if it could have been starting with a JES Rebore. His groove diameters are very consistent. Plus you do not have to get some over diameter mold to be able to shoot groups.
My first caliber 38 was (still is) a 1896 made Winchester 38-55 with a groove of .383+. I wanted to cry the first 5 rounds I fired. But through a lot of savvy help from some kind fellers the solutions were found. Bought a NEI mold that dropped a .384 from WW. Finally groups with smokeless. BP of course is the easiest route. But I wanted to get above 1450 fps with a 260 grainer. It easily does that and makes for a fun afternoon popping steel off cross sticks.
But all of our JES Rebores have been easy to get groups with. No need for fat diameter molds. I only wish we had bought stock in his outfit.
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Post by Bullshop on Sept 19, 2017 7:34:46 GMT -7
I think Jess has been offering his 37 cal rebores at 375 cal with .375" or so grooves and a 1/12" twist. The 1/12" twist has become standard for that caliber since 1912 with the introduction of the 375 H&H. Winchested, Marlin, Savage, and Ruger all used 1/12" twist for their 375 Win chambered rifles.
To be sure 1/12" is faster than needed for inflight stability for bullet weights to 280gn or there about. The fast twist was aimed not at in flight stability so much as it was at terminal penetration same as in the case of the 458 Win mag.
Bullets with minimal rotational velocity for in flight stability tend to deviate from the intended straight line path they were launched on and once they start to tumble in terminal penetration can become extremely erratic in their direction of penetration. Its not that uncommon for a marginally stable bullet to take a 90* turn on an angled impact or contact with bone at less that square contact.
If you think you may someday want to try bullet weights of 300gn and heavier you will want the faster twist. I have a 38-55 rollingblock with a 1/14" twist that at 100 yards groups the Lyman 330gn Postell very well but at some point beyond 300 yards it looses stability and all accuracy is gone. You can actually hear an audable buzz in flight when the bullet looses stability.
I discovered this while working up a load to be used at the Quiggley match for Jr. when he was just a wee sprout of 9 Y. O. Targets at 100, 200, and 300 yards gave good accuracy but targets set at 500 yards if hit at all showed full bullet profile holes. Lesson learned. Switching to a 320gn bullet with a shorter ogive and slightly shorter total length gave good in flight stability to the max range required at the shoot of just over 800 yards.
Jr didn't make it to the Quiggley shoot that year but he did shoot at Amidon ND and I believe was the top youth shooter with that revised load in the 38-55.
As for alloy its as simple as it can get, anything you can find. Old clip on WW at about BHN-12 are about perfect air cooled and if you your bullets to ack like solids just quench them rom a hot mold and in a couple days they will jump to BHN-20 and in a year or so will peak at about BHN-24. Even pure soft lead is usable but with the fairly fast 1/12" twist best accuracy might be at less than 1300 ps.
Last week Wyatt Jess's brother had a Win 94 with fresh re-bore to 38-55 for sale so it is a common re-bore they do. I noticed he mentioned it had a 1/12" twist.
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Post by todddoyka on Sept 19, 2017 19:26:58 GMT -7
thanks!!!
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