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Post by hoosiercub on Sept 1, 2017 1:44:17 GMT -7
Hello Gentlemen, New here as of this morning. I just received my first order of Bullets from Dan and as I already told him in an e-mail, am impressed with the bullets and packaging and especially The Bank of Heaven check that he included. I found Dan's thread about AA powders in the Hornet with much good in info in it. I am interested in using the 48gr 22 cal bullets in a Hornet to duplicate 22 Standard Velocity around the 1100FPS. Has anyone here used Trailboss for that purpose? Any other pet loads along this line will be appreciated.
Best regards to all, Tim
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Post by Bullshop on Sept 1, 2017 8:51:08 GMT -7
G'Day Sir Tim and welcome to our forum. Sounds like you found some helpful information already. In the very near future Lord willing I hope to start going through the load data I have developed over the last 30 years using our bullets in a variety of calibers and chamberings. The 22 Hornet being a personal favorite I plan to start with that chambering. Keep watching as I am sure you will find something interesting and helpful for hornet shooters.
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Post by Bullshop on Sept 2, 2017 8:14:54 GMT -7
Its been about 15 years or so ago that I traded some bullets for a model 38 Cooper rifle in 22 CCM. Think of the 22 CCM as a reloadable 22 mag. When I got the rifle I wanted to compare its ballistics to the rim fire versions so cronographed several loads from the 22 WMR and 22 LR. This brought to light a few interesting points. First was that the only load available for the 22 mag with a 50gn bullet was from Federal and although their published data for the load was optimistic the chronograph said it was only doing a shade over 1500 fps or about the equal of the original black powder load in the 22 WCF which most know was the predecessor to the 22 hornet. Also interesting was the discovery that the 22 mag in a 6" revolver achieved the same velocity as the 22 LR in a rifle. The 22 LR standard 40gn load cronoed at 1330 fps from a rifle and only 900 fps from a 6" revolver while the 22 mag with standard 40gn load cronoed 2000 fps from a rifle but only 1300 fps from the 6" revolver barrel. The plain base flat nose bullets you got from me should weigh 48 to 50 grain depending on the alloy used. I your intension is to target the standard 22 LR load velocity you will be looking at about 1300 fps. At that velocity your bullet being slightly heavier will shed velocity at a slightly lower rate than the 22 LR and it will carry more energy at all ranges so will "HIT HARDER" at all ranges. Also the flat nose is ever so much more effective than a round nose on small game. This is why I suspect the 22 LR hollow point ammo is more effective on small game not that it deforms more than the RN but that it is a flat nose. If I were to try to target 1300 fps velocity in a 22 hornet with the 50gn flat nose plain base bullets you got I would look at about 2 grain of Trail Boss powder. This should give very close to the 1300 fps of the 22 LR. Trail boss powder is a very bulky powder so I am not sure that 2 gn will fit the case. TB does not do well compressed so avoid that situation. TB tends to spike in pressure when compressed so if the powder is not a loose fit under the bullet don't load it. Since TB and Red Dot are of about identical burn rate but RD is less bulky the same load of 2gn should produce the same results. 2gn RD will certainly fit the case so there will be no issue there. The TB though if it fits without compression may potentially be the more accurate because it will more fully fill the case and the great thing about TB is it gives very uniform ignition with any primer. Anyway that is an area to start looking for your target velocity in your hornet with our PB bullets. If you don't have or cant find these powders go on line and see if you can find a powder burn rate chart and look at powders in the same general burn rate as TB and RD and the same 2gn charges should still be in the ball park. My favorite light hornet load uses the same bullet but with 2.9gn Accurate Arms #2 powder. This load gives a little more zip than the 22 LR and equals the 22 mag at 1550 with the same 50gn bullet weight. Its interesting to note that the original hornet the 22 WCF shot a 46gn bullet to 1550 fps with a compressed load of black powder and was quite popular in its time. After shooting a couple thousand rounds of the 2.9gn AA#2 in my hornet I have come to appreciate that performance level and find it quite dependable for accuracy and its ability to dispatch small pests to 150 yards and even 200 yards if you call the range and wind spot on. If your loading 2gn charges in your hornet you will be getting 3500 shots per pound of powder and that to me is a rewarding comfort. Cheap, accurate , and effective are things that endear a cartridge/load to me. These are the reasons the 22 hornet earned its popularity in the 1930's when many people used it to feed their families both in and out of season. I remember a native Alaskan stopping in at a camp I was setting up a couple days prior to the opening o hunting season. With hornet in hand he seemed to greatly appreciate the coffee and meal I offered but was quickly on his way stating that he had no time to waste as poaching season was ending shortly.
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