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Post by todddoyka on Feb 20, 2022 0:14:11 GMT -7
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Post by Bullshop on Feb 20, 2022 8:17:10 GMT -7
My only experience with them is with muzzleloader barrels and those were good. At one time that is all they made but now from what I am seeing they no longer make ML barrels.
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Post by missionary on Feb 21, 2022 2:42:03 GMT -7
We had a .457 GM barrel installed on a Navy Arms Roller maybe 25 years ago. 1-18 twist. That one is a very accurate barrel. Throated it long so a 450 grainer could easily be seated with 85 grains 2F Goex.
Have read years back GM took a government contract for the big "snadbox buildup" to produce military barrels in numerous calibers. To do it all barrel machines were reworked to modern fast rifling. When the stock of slow twist ran out there were no more.
But I just looked at thier web... Slow twist is there again ! A caliber .58 1-70 twist would be a fine ML with RB !
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Post by Bullshop on Feb 21, 2022 8:59:14 GMT -7
Anyone remember the Zepher. It was a 72 caliber under hammer rifle that used a 100" twist. I wanted one so bad back then but it never materialized. I have always liked the under hammer ignition system where the spark goes directly into the powder column without having to turn any corner. A 72 caliber ball is likely somewhere between 500/600gn so has plenty of momentum . I once had a Ron Paul rifle in 69 caliber with a slow 66" twist and that rifle was amazingly effective on the deer I shot with it the small coastal black tails in the SE Alaskan islands.
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Post by missionary on Feb 21, 2022 12:37:54 GMT -7
Howdy Dan I remember the Zepher due mainly for the name.
I will vouch for caliber .72 RB as we have a double Pedersoli Kodiak. Out to 100 yards there is not much that I would doubt I can hit with it if I am sitting or leaning on something solid like a tree. 110 grains of 2f Goex and a patched RB and I do think it will blow through any unfanged beasty and probably through the chest from the side of all bruins.
Only thing better would be a bigger ball from a 8 or 10 gauge rifled barrel. Those would reliably crunch through to brain those Packy-derms but well under 100 yards.
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Post by Bullshop on Feb 21, 2022 14:53:36 GMT -7
I still want one!
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Post by shootist---Gary on Feb 21, 2022 18:17:45 GMT -7
Daniel, if I remember correctly, back in the early 1960's, Numerich Arms from West Hurley, NY advertised an underhammer "Buggy Rifle", under the Hopkins & Allen name. I didn't like the looks of that style, so I bought their H & A "Minuteman" .45 cal. RB rifle with a 39 1/4" long X 1" octagon barrel, for a total cost of around $150. I shot it with 60 grn. FFG BP. At 25 yds., back then from a sitting position, I could split a RB on a German bayonet, & hit 2 clay pigeons. It was very accurate. This was my first muzzleloading rifle, & I have not shot it in over 40 years.
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Post by todddoyka on Feb 21, 2022 19:26:14 GMT -7
youse guys with your muzzleloaders!!!! try a daisy red rider in BB. with one hand!!!
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Post by missionary on Feb 22, 2022 5:51:26 GMT -7
I would like to see a split BB !
I well remember the BB that smacked me above my left eye after it bounced off the "O" on an old steel sign.
But with no recoil, no muzzle blast and 50 some more BBs just waiting to get air launched any boy could slice a card, light a match or whatever target.
Did you ever try flies doing that funny circle pattern they fly on warm afternoons ? Or yellow jackets coming and going from the dirt hive ? That could get fun real fast !
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Post by shootist---Gary on Feb 22, 2022 10:27:23 GMT -7
Or shooting a younger sister in the butt cheek while she is riding a full size bicycle standing up? BB rolled across the seat, & she went straight up in the air, screaming. I lost my BB gun for 2 months over that. We also learned that the smaller head wallboard nails will go down the barrel, so would make targets on cardboard boxes, filled with old newspapers, in an unheated bedroom in our old 10 room farmhouse. In the spring, my brother put a target up by the hay mow in the barn, & was shooting the nails into it. Dad came home from work, saw nails on the floor, & came to the house, telling us to hurry & bring our BB guns outside. He had set up 2 big blocks of wood in the driveway, with the 16 sledgehammer. I asked what this means, & he said " BUST THEM NOW". We never had another BB gun on the farm. Now, the sad part is that these BB guns were specially made by Daisy, for Sears & Roebuck, under the brand name J. C. Higgins. They had black plastic stocks with white checkering, & had a red cloth sling, & a folding rear peep sight. I have looked for one of these for years, without ever seeing one. The N.R.A. museum has one on display.
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Post by Bullshop on Feb 22, 2022 13:23:16 GMT -7
My very first ownership of a gun was made possible by a full days labor of carrying buckets of dirt from Mrs. Lords basement after she had a new furnace installed. It was quite a pile of dirt that took a long day to get out for which she paid me $5.00
Well it just so happened that at Harry's Hardware store in Otisville he had new Daisy rifles for exactly the amount I had earned that day so with a little coaxing to my Dad he provided transportation for the three mile trip to town where I exchanged my hard won earnings for a Daisy. No regrets either for that purchase or for the fact that my 50 cents per week allowance bought two paper cylinders of BB's each week a sound investment in my then view.
With the experience of numerous cylinders of BB's expended too many to count came an understanding of trajectory so that I became quite adept at applying just the right arc to a BB that I became quite proficient at connecting with small targets at distances that for mere mortals would have been unfathomable.
I believe that the extensive use of that Daisy taught me the fundamentals that aid my shooting to this day. I would curse the curve that I could at times plainly see in the long range arc. For the most part they flew true but there were enough curves noted to have a legitimate alibi for missis.
My Daisy even brought home table fare in the Bullfrogs I would stalk around Jacksons pond at a neighboring farm. That pond had big frogs, big catfish, and big snapping turtles but only little tiny sunfish. Those were the days of true freedom!
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Post by todddoyka on Feb 22, 2022 16:32:13 GMT -7
we had 3 ponds that were for giant catfish, frogs and the occasional small bluegill. there was and is a pond near me that didn't have any fish or frogs. you could see the bottom (about 9 or 10 feet) and you could swim in it, until the male teen drowned in it. then the owner posted the pond and ground. my friend has a pond that is just great for largemouth bass. thirty some years ago, we fished it out of small bluegill and left the bass in. then we dumped some dace (minnows) into the pond. we did that twice a month for about 6 or 7 months. then the next year we fished it. bass were everywhere and they grew for years and years. i wonder if the bass are still there.
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Post by Bullshop on Feb 22, 2022 21:00:50 GMT -7
Later when I graduated to a 22 I developed a system for getting frogs and big snappers. For frogs I made up a number of red flags and as I walked around the pond every time a frog jumped in I would place a flag at that spot. As I worked my way around the pond when I got to the opposite of where a flag was I would sit and wait. After a bit the frog would surface about 20 or so feet from the shore line facing the bank. After a minute if he saw no movement he would swim to the very same spot where he was sitting and again position himself under the overhanging grass and face across the pond. The yellow throat was the target and many frogs were collected this way. After a shot I would go get the frog then sit on that side of the pond and watch my flags. It was good hunting!
For big turtles that I sold I would bring a fishing rod spooled with heavy line and my 22. While watching for frogs if I saw a turtle surface to refill its air tanks I would decide by the head size above the water if it was a good one. If it looked good I would take a very carful aim and put a 22 bullet through it head. Now a big turtle with a 22 bullet through its head will still have quite some fight left in him for a while and that is why a heavy rod with heavy line was needed. They would go right to the bottom and their air tank would leak for maybe 10 to 15 minutes which gave a marker on where the turtle was
The retrieval method was to cast a huge treble hook past but in line with the bubbles then drag the hook along the bottom until it snagged the turtle and then the fight was on. The closer to the rear the turtle was hooked the tougher was the fight. If hooked in the tail you could expect to drag a two foot swath of the bottom of the pond with the turtle all the while with him digging with those powerful legs and claws trying to head the opposite direction. This too was a fun and productive way to get turtles and the combined hunting and fishing technique made it all the more pleasing.
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Post by grasshopper on Feb 23, 2022 0:45:52 GMT -7
I never took the opportunity to shoot any bullfrogs with a 22 although it sure sounds like a lot of fun. We would always go frog “gigging” you take about an 8 or 9’ section of river Caine and they you place a metal five prong gig on the Caine. You have to go gigging at nite so you can blind the frog with your flashlight and then spear him in the center with the gig. I almost get all teary eyed thinking about taking the cleaned frog legs to my Nanny to cook for me and how they would sometimes jump almost outta the pan! Good times for sure!!
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Post by missionary on Feb 23, 2022 8:27:00 GMT -7
Another fun time with bull frogs is to cast a small round colorful bobber within their hoping distance. The will try to swallow it and then real them in.
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Post by todddoyka on Feb 23, 2022 10:44:05 GMT -7
we would use the frogs as bass bait.
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Post by missionary on Feb 23, 2022 14:27:09 GMT -7
My dad had a wire "body harness" to hold a frog. Had a hook that extended down below the hind legs. Cast the frog out and it would swim around until a hungry water beast hit it.
Just looked on Ebay "Live Frog Harness".
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Post by Bullshop on Feb 23, 2022 15:58:29 GMT -7
Frog is as good or better than most fresh water fish. The kind I am talking about have legs almost as large as a chicken leg. My most favorite fish is black cod. I never had one of those big lizards you call gator but I would like to try it. Ate rattle snake once mostly because I was real hungry but found it to be nearly as good as frog.
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Post by missionary on Feb 23, 2022 16:21:36 GMT -7
I have eaten rattlesnake in AZ. I liked it... Mom thought I was nuts but she was not good friends with reptiles.
Have had crock tail down here and gator in FL. I would eat them all again.
My favorite fish is yellow perch. Ate pounds of those growing up near Lake Michigan.
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Post by shootist---Gary on Feb 23, 2022 18:59:02 GMT -7
Walleye & Yellow Perch live in Lake Erie, about 2 miles from my home.
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