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Post by Junior on Feb 15, 2020 7:41:38 GMT -7
Got a good deal on a pair of unfired vaqueros the other day. Sold one, kept the other as I've been in the market for a 45 colt. I had wanted to get a flat top with a 5.5" barrel, but a guy can't say no to a good deal. http://instagram.com/p/B8h05S4p27x |
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Post by Bullshop on Feb 15, 2020 8:28:42 GMT -7
I will venture a guess that this gun will see a lot of shooting. If you care to try a traditional type load safe in all 45 Colt revolvers my favorite is with the Lyman # 454190 in a soft alloy about BHN-9 sized to .454" and charged with 5.8gn of Trail Boss powder for about 800 fps. This load in my Ruger ( your X ) is extremely accurate and so easy on the shooting hand as to make it pleasant and enjoyable shooting.
Another bullet I like in the 45 Colt with traditional loads is the original Keith design for this cartridge the Lyman # 454424 also sized to .454" I have found that in sizing to .454" diameter just seems to get more consistent accuracy and has never been an issue with chambering in Ruger revolvers or Marlin lever action carbine in 45 Colt. The one exception to chambering .454" diameter bullets is the Freedom Arms revolver that would not chamber a cartridge with bullet over .451" diameter.
The bullet design I like when going to near magnum velocity in the 45 Colt is the Saeco 300gn Keith with gas check. I know Elmer didn't like his name associated with gas checked bullets ( No offence Elmer) but it has become my habit to call most SWC designs a Keith bullet if they are proportioned as to his design with three equal width drive bands and one lube groove equal to the drive bands even if gas checked.
BTW I see you get your targets from the same store I get mine.
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Post by Junior on Feb 15, 2020 12:36:25 GMT -7
It would probably get shot alot more if it was a adjustable sight model gun. This load I was shooting is a pretty stiff charge of 2400 pushing that 250gn Lee bullet at 1300 FPS. I've been having the itch for something to shoot black powder in, but I'm not a muzzle loader guy so I figured maybe a 45 colt would satisfy that desire. I already have 5 44 mags that I'm quite fond of, but the 45 colt should be fun and I have a bunch of brass already.
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Post by Bullshop on Feb 15, 2020 16:04:39 GMT -7
Do yourself a favor and do not overlook traditional loads. Heavy hunting loads have their place but traditional 45 Colt loads are so pleasant to shoot and well suited to plinking practice.
I abstained from such loads for many years believing they were too anemic to be taken seriously but I now can recognize the folly in my close minded view.
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Post by Junior on Feb 16, 2020 2:22:13 GMT -7
Well, I'm not sure what happened here. Was playing with my Ruger Vaquero today with some black powder substitute loads. Went to clean the gun afterwards, and took it all apart and put everything except for the barrel and frame into a tub of hot water and soap. Cleaned up the frame and barrel and put it in the bath to soak, and pulled out the cylinder to start cleaning it. As soon as I started wiping off the water, the finish came right off with it. By the time the thought crossed my mind to get the rest of the parts out of the bath, it was too late and they had already been stripped as well. I really have no idea what to think of this. I've used hot water and soap a million times to clean guns after shooting black powder and substitutes. The soap was different then the usual dawn that I use, and is the only thing I can think of that may have caused this. Frustrating to say the least. Still trying to decide if I want to send it back to Ruger for a reblue, or just keep shooting it and chalk it up to a learning experiance. http://instagram.com/p/B8nrDXkJlKc |
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Post by Junior on Feb 16, 2020 2:23:13 GMT -7
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Post by missionary on Feb 16, 2020 3:59:51 GMT -7
Good morning
Try as much Goex 3F as will fit under your slug. Your brass is not expanding in the cylinders to seal off the rear of the cylinder.
You can also use any other real BP (whatever is equal to 3F Goex) but they usually cost near 2x.
You may also want to consider annealing the necks of your 45 Colt Brass.
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Post by Bullshop on Feb 16, 2020 8:01:42 GMT -7
I have seen some types of gun cleaning solvents remove the chemical case colors from Rugers but I have never seen any soaps or solvents remove bluing like that. I too am puzzled as to the why.
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Post by Junior on Feb 16, 2020 11:57:05 GMT -7
Its nearly impossible to get real black powder up here. I'm current playing with some substitutes. Pyrodex made a horrible mess. Alliant blackMZ works really well though, and is very clean burning, leaving insides of the cases still shiny after firing.
As far as finish damage, apparantly the funky soap my wife uses has citric acid in it, and combines with the fouling from the pyrodex makes a very good blueing remover.
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Post by Bullshop on Feb 16, 2020 13:11:47 GMT -7
Beauty is in the eye of the target!
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Post by Junior on Feb 28, 2020 0:31:51 GMT -7
I called Ruger about the finish, and they said if I send the gun to them, they would look at it, but would not guarantee they would refinish it on their dime before seeing it. SO I called of Bobby Tyler and struck a deal with him to have this old girl reblued and properly case colored while it is there. Going to be gone for about 8 weeks, but should be worth it in the end.
Ive put about 200 rounds through it now. I bought a case of HSM plated 250gn RFN bullets, and have been horribly disappointed with them. No matter what powder I use, if I push them faster then 800 FPS, thy start to shoot all over the place. Loaded under 800, and they shoot as well as you would expect from a plated bullet.
I loaded up some Lyman 454424 that dad send me, sized at .454" and cast soft. Loaded over 22gn of WC820, this load is pushing 1230 FPS average from this gun, and as accurate as I can hold it. It made me decide I really need to get back into casting now that we are settled. We got the house built, and although it still needs some finishing touches, I have much more time on my hands now, as I don't need to work as much since we are not saving to build anymore.
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Post by missionary on Feb 28, 2020 3:08:40 GMT -7
Looks like you know what undersized slugs cannot accomplish.
That is the #1 reason so many shooters think a cast lead slug is of little value.
A properly fitted piston under compression will still win the race.
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Post by Bullshop on Feb 28, 2020 8:00:49 GMT -7
# 454424 with flat bottom lube groove was Elmer's baby for the 45 Colt. He was adamant about the flat bottomed not radiused lube groove and convinced that it had positive effect in distributing lube for the full length of the barrel and not just dumping lube at the breach end as he felt a radiused groove did. He liked 16 to 1 lead to tin alloy for about BHN-11 even in the 44 magnum. I am not sure what he used for lube but at the time commercial offerings were limited and the black thick tar being offered by Lyman was terrible in comparison to what we now have available. I think he would have liked Bullshop products!
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