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Post by Junior on Oct 26, 2023 12:54:28 GMT -7
I went into the local shop the other day to look for a box of 12ga heavy birdshot, and noticed they had the new Ruger super Wranglers on hand for $289 so I grabbed one.
This revolver is very close to the single six, steel frame, adjustable sights and convertible 22lr/22mag. It’s definitely not as refined as the single six with its MIM parts and baked coating, but the price is right.
It proved to be a good shooter with decent accuracy and good crisp trigger. Overall I give it high marks and am actually thinking about buying a few to stash away for future generations.
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Post by Junior on Oct 26, 2023 12:57:07 GMT -7
Not sure why I couldn’t put the photos on the first post. Attachments:
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Post by Bullshop on Oct 27, 2023 6:36:08 GMT -7
I think Riger came out with this one to compete with Heritage for a gun in this price range. I dont know how the Heritage guns are now but back when you were little if you remember I worked on one for a customer and found the internal parts to be too soft to hold up to regular use. They may have changed by now but I dont know because that experience set me on a path of avoidance of Heritage products. I seriously doubt you will find that a problem with even the low end Ruger.
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Post by Bullshop on Oct 27, 2023 20:27:00 GMT -7
It was the Ruger single six and the MK-1 auto that put Ruger on the map. Now they are likely the biggest gun manufacturer in the US.
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Post by missionary on Oct 28, 2023 3:21:42 GMT -7
Never had a Ruger .22 revolver. But I will write those MRK 1 and MRK 2 pistols are super shooters right out of the box. Are the New Wranglers steel frame ? Did you try the magnet "proof" ?
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Post by Bullshop on Oct 28, 2023 7:43:01 GMT -7
I am pretty sure the Wrangler uses an aluminum alloy frame, possibly even a sleaved barrel.
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Post by grasshopper on Oct 28, 2023 10:14:58 GMT -7
I enjoyed reading everyone’s experiences with Ruger 22 pistols from the beginning with the MK1 to the newest as far as I know, the Wrangler that Junior described so well. I have both of these pistols and I also own a Ruger 22/45 and a Super Single Six three screw. First all of them will shoot! I try hard not to abuse my guns and keep them clean but on several canoe trips fishing it just can’t be helped they get filthy. After a rinse of mud some gun oil and fresh ammo they are back to running. The Wrangler is a great pistol and reminds me of the single six. The wrangle is much more Afghans can accomplish what the single six can but fit, finish and overall durability wouldn’t match that of the single six. That being said I think it would take tons of shooting either cylinder before you experienced any issues. One final note I’m hoping y’all can help me with is my MK1 target from ruger has a factory muzzle brake on it and I’ve never seen another one. If any of you have seen them even at a show I would love to hear about I!
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Post by Bullshop on Oct 28, 2023 10:34:53 GMT -7
Factory brake on a MK-1 ! I have never seen or heard of it until now. Some of the later MK's maybe so but never heard of it on a MK-1 It could be a one off by a factory employee or a very limited run of a variant or possibly even a prototype that never went into production.
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Post by Junior on Oct 29, 2023 0:34:45 GMT -7
As far as the wrangler, it is an aluminum frame on the fixed sight 22 only model, but full steel barrel. The Super wrangler like I have (with adjustable sights) is a steel frame, and yes I have tested it with a magnet. It’s actually a pretty hefty little revolver being only 4oz lighter than my 5.5” Blackhawk 45 colt. It’s very similar to a single six, just cheapened up, but still very well made and pretty accurate. This group was fired with 22 magnums.
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Post by missionary on Oct 29, 2023 5:28:12 GMT -7
I have never seen one also... MK1 with a Break. Nor have I seen any reference from Ruger about one. A smithy could easily thread a barrel and hang on the end most any attachment a customer desired.
JR. Steel frame. That is the first one I have read about. All adds say Aluminum. Could it be a Single Six in .22 ? Does it have the .22 Mag cylinder ?
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Post by Junior on Oct 29, 2023 12:00:27 GMT -7
Yes, the super wrangler is basically a less sporty single six for half the price. 22lr/22 mag convertible and as a matter of fact the group in my last photo was fired with the 22 magnum cylinder.
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Post by grasshopper on Oct 29, 2023 19:39:39 GMT -7
The latest blue book of gun values says they are not uncommon and it will add $100 to the value of a MK1 pistol it’s on. The book says they are common so I suppose I must agree but besides the one I bought forever at a North Pole gun show I’ve seen one other and it was also a 6” MK1. You think maybe it came from Santa’s workshop since it was in North Pole?😁
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Post by Bullshop on Oct 29, 2023 20:30:04 GMT -7
Santa must be licensed by Ruger. Good thing too because who could ever sue Santa for patent infringement .
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Post by Junior on Oct 30, 2023 23:12:14 GMT -7
I’ve noticed the super wrangler is quite a bit more accurate with 22 magnums than it is with 22s. I remembered last year when I was playing with modified 22 rounds that they usually shot better than their factory versions. I tried about 6 different types of modified ammo through it, and they all shot substantially better then the factory ammo did. Groups fired at 10 yards offhand. Top to bottom. CCI mini mag HP Modified CCI mini mag Winchester 50gn 22 mag
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Post by Bullshop on Oct 31, 2023 8:19:23 GMT -7
This may be a little hard to follow because I kept adding information. It should get the point across though.
From what I understand the 22 LR uses a swaged lead alloy bullet at .223" diameter. When I used to pick up the recovered lead from the backstop at the Delta sportsmen's indoor range which was all 22 LR the alloy tested at BHN-9 air cooled As I understand 22 WMR uses a .224" diameter which can be jacketed or electro plated. The 22 mag bullet may use the same core alloy but they will have a tougher skin. If we are to believe what we read then 22 LR barrels use a .223" groove diameter but 22 CF barrels ( and 22 mag) use a .224" diameter groove depth. If that is true then I have to wonder which Ruger uses when making a combo gun that will shoot both. That could be the reason your Wrangler shows preference for the mag cartridge because its barrel may have been made for it and a 22 LR is not a good fit.. Something I have learned about bullet alloy hardness and chamber pressure is that a bullet diameter that is on the loose side for the barrel and the alloy a little too hard for the chamber pressure and the bullet will not bump up (swage) to tightly bottom out to the grooves of the barrel. In such a case one of two things must be done to correct the issue. One is to increase the chamber pressure to the point where it will swage or the other is to reduce the bullet alloy hardness. The 22 LR is very limited in allowable chamber pressures where as the 22 mag works at a much higher chamber pressure. Here is an example of chamber pressure to bullet alloy. Yesterday I was shooting a long range ML rifle. This is a Billinghurst pattern 45 caliber 30" barrel with 18" twist. I was shooting a very slightly alloyed bullet and wanting to develop a load that would leave the barrel at a subsonic velocity. I first tried a charge of 50 grain of FG powder and the results were terrible. Just to even hit the target I had to move in to 25 yards. The one bullet that did hit the target hit it in a perfect profile making a nice picture of the bullet. I then tried FFFG powder which would kick up the chamber pressure a bit and the results were perfectly normal and gave very good 100 yard accuracy. Now if I go back to the FG powder and use pure unalloyed lead the results may be completely different. That would be an example of both methods of correction one by raising chamber pressure and one by using a softer bullet. Another difference between barrel cut for RF and those cut for CF is rifling groove depth. RF barrels will likely have a more shallow groove depth. The ML rifle I used yesterday is a custom built copy of an original. The original would have had a fairly shallow rifling groove depth intended for shooting paper patched bullets. That could have also been a factor in my results and why a higher chamber pressure gave better results because the chamber pressure will be equal to the pressure the bullet exerts against the barrel at least at the bullet base.
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Post by Junior on Oct 31, 2023 10:46:38 GMT -7
That theory is part of why I decided to try my modified 22 ammo in the wrangler. I would have to go back to the article I wrote at the time, but it seems that measuring the driving bands on unfired and unmodified factory 22 ammo I got measurements ranging from .220” to about .2225”. Once run through the Lil Gizzy tool they not only had a better shape for small game, but also measured a consistent .223”. I have noticed accuracy gains with the modified ammo in every gun I have tried it in, but the wrangler shows the most improvement.
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Post by todddoyka on Oct 31, 2023 11:57:06 GMT -7
Santa must be licensed by Ruger. Good thing too because who could ever sue Santa for patent infringement . it's a good thing for Santa, because he had two Ruger 10/22's to give to my sons for Christmas years ago. and while i'm at, he gave me one too!!!
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Post by grasshopper on Nov 2, 2023 7:25:01 GMT -7
My buddy that owns the gun store in town just called and said he had gotten in a double shipment of Ruger super wrangles and if I came today I could buy as many as I wanted for $229 out the door! That’s $100 cheaper than Rugers price on their website!
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Post by Bullshop on Nov 2, 2023 8:09:07 GMT -7
Seems like maybe Ruger is trying to replace Heritage to dominate the low end revolver market. Heritage has owned that market for a long time.
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Post by todddoyka on Nov 2, 2023 9:25:27 GMT -7
7 or 8 years ago, i bought my oldest son a Heritage 6 1/2" barrel for Christmas one year. i think it was around $120? he shoots 22lr but not 22 mag. he says it is too expensive to bang out targets. at 25 yards, he goes about size of a 50 cent piece off hand. i don't know how many rounds he has shot, but i believe it is 8000 to 10,000 rounds, maybe even more.
he broke the 22 handgun that was given by my dad (RIP). i think it was broke by the top strap next to barrel? i had pix of it, but i can't find them.
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Post by Junior on Nov 2, 2023 15:51:53 GMT -7
The Ruger super wrangler is 1000% more pistol than the heritage in my opinion. I’m up to about 2000k rounds through this one now in t he last couple weeks, including about 300 rounds a 22 magnum and this pistol is fantastic. Great trigger. Accurate. Smooth. And just plain fun to shoot.
Makes me want another single six. My last one was that rusty one you turned into a 32mag. Actually no, that was my last rimfire one. I had that factory 32 mag that wouldn’t ever shoot worth a crap and I sold it.
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Post by Bullshop on Nov 2, 2023 16:49:33 GMT -7
I gave the old three screw Ruger single six that we converted to 32 mag to Joy. We got each of the girls a handgun but Joy wanted that one. I still have the even older first model flat top that has been converted to 22 Cooper. That one and all the other 22 Cooper goodies will eventually go to Tony because when I had all the boys pick the rifle they wanted Tony picked the 22 Cooper. You got B00 because I know you wanted it and its more at home in Alaska.
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Post by Junior on Nov 3, 2023 0:48:01 GMT -7
B00 sits within arms reach as I lay here in bed just a snick-snicksh away from action.
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Post by Bullshop on Nov 3, 2023 8:12:32 GMT -7
That was always a slick feeding rifle with just about any type of bullet shape. When I shot that grizzly that Dave Daw wounded I fired two shots so fast it sounded like an automatic. That was with the 500 grain paper patch bullet.
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Post by grasshopper on Nov 4, 2023 9:22:30 GMT -7
It’s kind of ironic that B00’s brother rests above my bedroom door within easy reach of why I sleep as well!
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Post by Bullshop on Nov 4, 2023 12:29:56 GMT -7
They are great guns ! They were the first of the model 1895 Marlins made on the 336 receiver. Its always good business to put extra care in making the first ones because like the saying goes, "" you never get a second chance to make a first impression"" With guns a bad first impression is a killer. More than once good ideas have been quashed by gun writers that had bad first impressions. My 22 Cooper comes to mind.
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Post by grasshopper on Nov 5, 2023 1:34:38 GMT -7
I’m not sure if you remember the other one I have, someone took one of the first 1895s to come out, like B00 and decided to make their own “guide” gun. The barrel was cut back to just a little over 17” and recrossed and the front sight put back on and then for some reason about 4” was cut off the buttstock. When I got it , the cut portion was back on. The only rear sight it had when I got it was a Williams brass ring kind of thing. I will say it was super easy for my eye to pick up that brass circle and put the front gold bead in the center. I bought the rifle from Down under Guns at the beginning of 1996 and I paid $150!!! The shop just looked at it as a hacked up 1895 but I thought it was wonderful! It fit perfectly in the side pocket of my rucksack where ski poles would normally go. In the summer almost all the instructors carried a firearm since we took groups of students up on the glacier and to the ice falls. We weren’t worried about animals way up there but for almost an entire day we crossed huge blue berry fields with many bears getting ready for hibernation!!
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Post by Bullshop on Nov 5, 2023 7:02:04 GMT -7
I have a foggy memory of that gun. I think the abbreviated barrel versions from Ruger are the most common now.
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Post by grasshopper on Nov 5, 2023 7:16:49 GMT -7
I agree , I’m also amazed and shocked what Marlin lever guns are priced at and end up selling for! I went in my buddys gun store this week and was interested in a 336 in 35 rem made in 74 and it had a price tag of $950 on it! It was in fantastic shape and did not have checkering which I prefer. I’m sure it will sell as the 35 is a very desirable caliber around here but I just can’t bring myself to pay $1000 for a fairly common Marlin. Who knows maybe I’m just really cheap but still in my mind $1000 bucks is getting close to 1886 win money but I haven’t priced a “shooter” in that model in awhile either. It just seems like the prices of guns and ammo have risen so much just like food prices have. I honestly don’t know how some folks are able to feed their families today. I certainly feel more than blessed I’m able to take care of mine in a world that’s changing at a far faster pace than I like.
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Post by Bullshop on Nov 5, 2023 10:52:17 GMT -7
A balloon can only stretch so far before it explodes. Our economy is a balloon at its breaking point. Its going to get ugly ! Thanks to Ruger for giving us hope.
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