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Post by Bullshop on May 9, 2021 16:06:46 GMT -7
Before I order the wrong part, several times, again I think it a good idea to ask, Does anyone know if a butt stock for a Winchester model 1885 will fit the Uberti copy of the 1885?
It appears pretty authentic in design. I can find stocks for Winchester but not for Uberti.
After giving away a couple to my boys I found myself light in the 45-70 department something that should never happen to anyone so I picked up A Dixey Gun Works model 1885 in 45-70.
The thing is the crescent steel butt is murderfifferous with any loads even low level Trap Door safe loads. I dont want to chop up the current stock with my normal wood butchery so would like to find a less authentic looking stock with a cushy squishy pad on it.
Please help as my red, yellow, and blue shoulder although patriotic in appearance is sapping the fun out of load development. Anyone know ?
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Post by missionary on May 9, 2021 17:34:53 GMT -7
Howdy Dan
There is another solution. Our 1876 repro in 50-95 has a cresent and the thing was gonna ruin my shoulder. Had a leather cuff but of the flat variety. Took an old ratty slip on rubber pad and cut the recoil pad part to fit the stock without the steel cresent ending up flat. So taped that to the stock lightly with double face then applied the flat leather cuff.
What a difference ! And it looks great.
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Post by Bullshop on May 9, 2021 19:10:36 GMT -7
I would like to see that but I know your situation with not being able to get home.
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Post by Junior on May 9, 2021 21:18:47 GMT -7
Interestingly enough I was just talking to someone today about present butts. They were originally designed to keep the rifle on the shooters shoulder while on horseback.
As far as stocks go, don't you still have your browning 45/70? that would be a easy way to check is the stock would fit.
But, I believe stock stock is the same on the uberti, and possibly the B78 as well.
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Post by missionary on May 10, 2021 3:01:34 GMT -7
One of the stock duplicators should also know.
I will see if I have a photo of that 76 on this computer.
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Post by missionary on May 10, 2021 5:40:42 GMT -7
Well being 70 and living at 8000 has hit the jackpot !!
While searching for a photo of out 1876 Repro in 50-95 I discovered again the grey gushy memory is not always correct.
Yes we put a leather cuff on the 1876 repro but it is curved one. That photo is on our CB account and I have no idea how to get it here.
I lost all the older photos on this machine when the drive crashed 5 years back and we put a solid state type in. No more whirly wheels !
The rifle we removed the steel crescent from and put the filler on and added the flat leather cuff is the 26 inch octagon 86 Repro (jap) we had rebored by JES to 50 Alaskan. Still hunting a photo of that......
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Post by Bullshop on May 10, 2021 7:20:39 GMT -7
The Browning model 1885 is a completely different animal than a Winchester 1885 in many ways. We dont need to discuss here all the internal differences just note that there are many.
The butt stock is also different in that the Browning model B-78 and 1985 uses a through bolt from the rear threaded to a hanger that is mounted between the upper and lower tangs.
The Winchester design uses bolts through the upper and lower tangs one top and one bottom that pinch the stock between the tangs as most all pre 1900 Winchester model do.
This Dixie/Uberti rifle uses a single flat main spring under the forend just as original Winchester 1885 rifles did so that too looks authentic in design. I have not yet removed the butt stock but can see that it had the bolts through the tangs apparently using the pinch system used on original Winchester rifles.
Without taking it off I can not be sure as it may also have the through bolt as used by Browning. The tang screws may not go through but only into the wood, I dont know yet as the Browning too has tang screws but they are not there for stock mounting but only for sight mounting.
Maybe I just need to get an original Winchester model 1885 and start comparing parts in order to have an answer to my question? Sounds like a good enough excuse to me !
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Post by Bullshop on May 10, 2021 9:33:01 GMT -7
OK here is an update, I just removed the butt stock from the Uberti 1885 and see it is true to form of the original Winchester 1885. It does not have the long through bolt from the rear as does the Browning. It does have the upper tang bolt that goes through the stock wrist threading into the lower tang and pinching the stock wrist between upper and lower tangs. The bolt entering the lower tang is a large wood screw that anchors the lower tang to the stock. This is the typical stock mounting system used on original Winchester 1885 rifles.
So far everything I am seeing in this rifle is that it is a copy of the Winchester not just a replica. Now what remains to be seen to answer my question is that are the two, the Uberti and the Winchester model 1885 rifles dimensionally the same, closely enough that the inletting for the Winchester will also fit the Uberti.
I have a feeling the answer is yes. This rifle was imported by Dixy gun works and the proprietor Val Forget was pretty particular about what he put his brand on.
Everything else seems to function as a Winchester using flat not coil springs and the hammer having the original function of having a first click safety position and automatically going to that position when the lever is closed. Also it is a non rebounding hammer as in original Winchester rifles where the Browning and other modern replica rifles have rebounding hammers.
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Post by shootist---Gary on May 10, 2021 11:01:35 GMT -7
Daniel, maybe you can drive up to Cody, WY to where the Winchester Museum is, & compare your stock to an original Winchester. If that is too far to go, (and spend 3 or 4 days looking at guns), send them an email, & ask for dimensions of an original. Maybe googling will let you find the schematics with dimensions also.
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Post by shootist---Gary on May 10, 2021 11:25:55 GMT -7
Daniel, I just googled looking for original dimensions for Winchester High Wall stocks, & someone has schematics for 1885 models for sale on Ebay. I was able to make a copy, so I can put it in the mail to you. Also, from what info I could find from stock makers, original Winchester stocks won't fit a Uberti replica.
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Post by Bullshop on May 10, 2021 11:45:27 GMT -7
Thank you Gary ! Your helpful efforts go well beyond expectations. So maybe I should try Dixy for a replacement assuming they had other than a crescent type. A straight wide shotgun type even with a steel butt plate would be better.
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Post by shootist---Gary on May 10, 2021 22:39:25 GMT -7
Daniel, when I send you a check for the .45-70 bullets that I'll be ordering, I'll enclose the schematic that is on Ebay. I made a copy of it.
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Post by todddoyka on May 11, 2021 9:58:42 GMT -7
maybe a rifle or a shotgun slip on recoil pad? i don't know? i'm just spitballing here.
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Post by Bullshop on May 11, 2021 10:37:46 GMT -7
That is what I am thinking too Tod. Something to slip on for bench shooting then off for hunting. Its a simple solution that solves the problem.
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Post by todddoyka on May 11, 2021 12:54:21 GMT -7
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Post by missionary on May 12, 2021 6:50:22 GMT -7
I agree, the slip on pad in any configuration is going to help lots. Then add using cross sticks instead of a bench and reoil is very manageable.
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Post by sideswipe on Mar 2, 2024 17:32:06 GMT -7
Yup missionary, slipon pads work & for me better than the strap-on pad that is used by many shooters. The strapon just won’t fit my shoulder &it’s such a poor fit it affects my accuracy. Last FRiday I took the Pedersoli Brothers (roller & 1885) to the range & fired 50+ 45-70 rounds. I was using DAniel’s Lyman-Snover 480+. gr bollits over 5744. Shoulder never get sore but I do confess that was a bit much for this old shooter & my accuracy began to degrade towards the end of the session.
DANIEL, you’re familiar w/Precision GUn Works (TX) most likely. They use original MARlin & Winchester stocks to profile their machines. Course you have to do the final 10% of the inletting yourself. Just don’t try to hurry the job by using a dremel.....you might have to reorder another buttstock like someone I know .
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Post by Bullshop on Mar 4, 2024 7:56:23 GMT -7
Like someone you know ? My main tool for woodworking is a chainsaw.
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