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Post by todddoyka on Apr 25, 2021 14:34:31 GMT -7
yesterday i got a package from the bull shop.in it came the 9.3mm 275gr wfn gc that is just awesome for my rifle. there is gift to me in it, the 7mm 145gr fn gc. all i can say is thanks dan!!!!!! i'm a little overwhelmed for your gift. i have a 1908 Brazilian and a 93 Venezuelan mauser in 7x57, i'll put them to good use. now i have to use my '06 brass and reformed it into 7x57. i'll say it once again, Thank You Dan!!!!!! 1908 Brazilian ![]()  93 Venezuelan  |
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Post by Bullshop on Apr 25, 2021 19:14:46 GMT -7
OK the bullet shortage is now solved so before that rifle gets put away myself and I bet others want to know you shot it. It would also be nice to know how well it shoots.
If your using the 9.3mm for deer there is a lot of deer in that box you got. I never did get to try mine on deer last season. I had hoped to but filling tags last season was rather spontaneous. Both deer and elk tags were filled from the reapers roost last season. My deer was taken with a 30-06 Ackley because I thought the range would be long. I saw the buck several times but each time I saw him I had a 300 yard rifle but he was 400 yards. I finally sat with the 30-06 Ackley set up for longer ranges but the shot was only 250 yards.
On the elk my girls were sitting in the roost and they spotted him. It was nearly dark when they came in and told me there was an elk out there. I needed a scoped rifle and the 280 Ackley was out and had ammo in the mag so I grabbed it and ran out the door. A few minutes later one shot and my elk tag was filled. This was the first elk I have taken from the roost. I would really liked to have whacked him with the 9.3x57 but there was no way I could have made the shot without a scoped rifle. It wasn't a long shot it was only about 75 yards but it was too dark for the iron sights on the 9.3x57.
That rifle is now scoped so there is hope for the future.
OH and BTW, your welcome!
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Post by shootist---Gary on Apr 25, 2021 21:26:27 GMT -7
Daniel, on the day that I met you in June 2018, my first impression was that you are a very humble & knowledgeable man. You have just reinforced my impression of you, by your generosity. May God bless You.
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Post by todddoyka on Apr 26, 2021 7:47:09 GMT -7
my eyes aren't that good anymore and i hate moving up my quitting time because i can't see the sights. that is one of the reasons why i scoped the husky m46. i betcha the elk would be like the deer i shot. boom, thwap, dead deer with no tracking involved. i can't do metal werk anymore, so i leave that up to my gunsmith. husqvarna m46 in 9.3x57    i still have to reform the 7x57, but i'll be shooting it later in the week or early next week. |
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Post by Bullshop on Apr 26, 2021 9:40:09 GMT -7
My 9.3x57 is about the same as yours a Husqvarna small ring Mauser with the same sights. The problem I had with scoping it is that the length of pull is very long with it original stock and with a scope mounted the eye focus location had me stretching for the trigger in an awkward position that I could not shoot well with. With the iron sight it was no problem but scoped it was.
I considered shortening the stock but my ability to work with wood is more akin to Dr. Frankenstein where as Tod's is more closely matched to Dr. Benjamin Carson's surgical ability .
At that time I found a sale on synthetic stocks so for $100.00 I got a synthetic stock that is the correct pull length to be compatible with a scope on my rifle.
I like that idea better to have the original and very nice wood stock for use with iron sights or the synthetic stock for use with a scope sight.
As I once read and like to repeat, "" chance favors a prepared mind ""
Still I must admit that the synthetic stock appearance completely changes the personality of the rifle. Its like it has two one a very aesthetically pleasing old world and the other a no nonsense workaday get the job done without fanfare. I have to admit to having a fondness for the old world better but the newer has its function. So as the old saying goes, "" you cant have your cake and eat it too ""
Gary my good friend thank you and know that I share a like impression of you.
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Post by Junior on Apr 26, 2021 9:58:33 GMT -7
I have preferred irons for a long time but I’m starting to appreciate a GOOD quality scope. Usually we had cheap scopes when I was a kid, and although they got the job done, I could do the job nearly as well with irons. After passing up my only shot in a moose last year because of darkness, and put together a scoped rifle, and now just about all my guns wear a optic of some type except for B00. A few months ago, all of my rifles had irons.
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Post by Bullshop on Apr 26, 2021 10:34:43 GMT -7
Jr. that reminds me we got a new mold for the 45-70. If I can get caught up with orders I would like to get some to you. Check it out www.gunbroker.com/item/897322920 |
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Post by Junior on Apr 26, 2021 11:10:18 GMT -7
That’s a good looking bullet. I’m hoping to head up in the mountains next trip home and look for a griz. Work got in the way of my spring baiting plans, but I couldn’t say now to the promotion
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Post by Bullshop on Apr 26, 2021 13:44:41 GMT -7
So will that affect your plans to work with Ben on guiding ? I remember you had to get some hours in with him to get your license. I see him posting some bear hunt pictures. Apparently they have changed the law about baiting grizzly ?
The bullets in the picture were cast in pure lead and fired from a trapdoor with black powder. As you can see each one lost its nose but expanded down to the solid section then stayed together kind of like a Nosler partition does.
I would make them a bit harder for you since you will load smokeless powder at higher velocity. Even so about BHN-10 or so should be good. If you remember the bullets I recovered when I skinned the Grizzly for Dave Dawe the one I used Boo for to clean up Dave's mess. Those were a 500gn paper patch at BHN-8 and expanded to nearly the size of a quarter but penetrated from just under her chin to her rump where I found them. The load was doing 1550 fps muzzle velocity and that bear wasn't much farther away than the muzzle.
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Post by missionary on Apr 27, 2021 5:17:50 GMT -7
That is the kind of expansion and penetration that makes me smile ! Complete energy dump and a whole lot of disruption.
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Post by Bullshop on Apr 27, 2021 7:54:43 GMT -7
That is the kind of expansion and penetration that makes me smile ! Complete energy dump and a whole lot of disruption. With the penta hollow point the nose consistently segments into 5 petals each acting as secondary projectiles moving laterally from the main base section. That makes for a lot of disruption. If I had designed the bullet I would have given it a crimp groove to be better suited for use in heavy recoiling lever action rifles. Also as is the lube groove configuration is more suited to black powder . With modern smokeless powder lubes bullets do not have to carry that much lube. It is usable as is though because the nose section is short enough that the front lube groove can be used as a crimp groove and over all cartridge length still short enough to cycle through lever action 45-70 rifles. Not quite right but doable. With those big lube grooves and our Lotak smokeless lube only the two bottom grooves need filled even with the highest safe chamber pressures allowable. I know I can become anal about such things but I guess that is the curse of having become a bullet designer that when seeing a design that could be better I instinctively make mental corrections. |
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Post by todddoyka on Apr 27, 2021 10:00:27 GMT -7
i like the 250gr penta hp (8 bhn) in the 44 spl. i have killed 2 or 3 deer with it(30 yards and less) and in every case it was a thru-n-thru boolit. i also noted it expanded but it didn't do separate petals wound tracks. i was still impressed at the wound exit, .75 - 1" were the holes.
ruger sbh with 4 5/8" barrel
250gr penta hp
7.5gr of unique(God bless Skeeter)
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Post by Bullshop on Apr 27, 2021 10:48:50 GMT -7
Funny you should mention that. I am planning to run some of those soon to try in my 44 special with the Alcan powder I got at a previously mentioned gun show in Butte. I think I will run this batch in pure lead as that has been working good in the 44 special with other similar bullet designs. Pure lead rolls back but does not fragment as harder alloyed lead sometimes does. At about 800 fps it works really good for accuracy. Try pushing much harder for velocity and accuracy is no so good.
I have been shooting 4.4gn Alcan 101 with the standard Lyman/Keith bullet and that load is shooting very well. That Skeeter load is running a bit higher velocity than my 4.4gn AL-101. The other Alcan powders I got there are AL- 5 (think Unique), AL-7 , (think Blue dot) and AL-8 ( think 2400) all well suited to different load levels in the 44 special.
Did you know that Alcan powders were once owned by S&W and that in their collaboration with Remington to produce ammo the very first commercial 44 mag ammo was loaded with Alcan #8 powder? I have fired some of that original first run 44 mag ammo and it was terrible. It was loaded with a stiff charge of AL-8 to produce 1500 fps in a 6" revolver, a very stout load !!! The problem was the bullet. It was a swaged pure lead Keith type with a gas check. Even with the gas check the pure lead was not up to the 40,000 psi chamber pressure and in just a few shots you had a badly leaded barrel. I think that is when the Lewis lead remover became popular.
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Post by Junior on Apr 27, 2021 14:22:14 GMT -7
I still have about 200 rounds of ammo loaded with the Mihec 225gn 45 hollow point that I carry in my 45 acp. Works pretty well.
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Post by Bullshop on Apr 27, 2021 17:12:57 GMT -7
I remember testing that bullet in Alaska and what a difference it made when we plugged the hollow point with bullet lube.
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Post by Junior on Apr 28, 2021 15:38:36 GMT -7
Yeah, the ones I carry I fill with a hard wax. They open up pretty nicely.
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Post by missionary on Apr 29, 2021 6:39:15 GMT -7
I have read that "fill the HP first" somewhere else. Have to file that tid-bit onto the paper memory also.
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Post by Bullshop on Apr 29, 2021 7:29:18 GMT -7
Its hydraulic effect. If the nose cavity is filled with a material that under pressure acts as a liquid it has an hydraulic effect pushing to the path of least resistance, outward.
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Post by Junior on Apr 29, 2021 18:51:54 GMT -7
A couple years ago I did a pretty extensive test of about 20 different 45 ACP factory loads I tested accuracy, penetration and expansion.
The Hornady critical defense and critical duty roads performed the best of any, with 100% perfect expansion no Mayer what I shot them through, even glass.
They use a rubber filler in their hollow points and I gotta say it works well.
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Post by todddoyka on May 3, 2021 14:45:39 GMT -7
i got a new computer yesterday cuz the old one was fried. it gets better  . i was reforming the '06 case to the 7x57 case, i forgot to chamber them. in the 08 Brazilian it werks.....sort of. in the 93 Venezuelan its a no go. stupid me never checked the shoulder, it should have been staring at 1.728" and finishing at 1.866". no problem, i tell myself, i just have adjust the die....and i did, but i didn't do the case lube. so i take the stuck case and die and i drill the brass and i thread it. i put the stuck die upside down in the reloading press and i take 1/4" bolt and thread it down and i broke the threads. i should have quit, instead of a 1/4" threader, i use a 3/8" threader, put in a 3/8" bolt and..........you guessed it!!! i broke the threads. this is when i gave up on it. i have a lee 7x57 fl die coming in the mail. i still have the die at my basement and it is soaking up some kroil. i have a punch and a hammer but i refuse to look it for several days. my gun "building" is also put on hold, but i think i'll start it again this week. its been a heck of week........... |
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Post by Bullshop on May 3, 2021 20:28:52 GMT -7
Definitely a should have gone fishing day! I feel partly responsible so if you want to cuss me out its OK.
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Post by todddoyka on May 4, 2021 11:34:45 GMT -7
nah, i should have known better to lube them. its all my fault. besides, the nice weather we are having lets me sit on the porch and pet my dog.
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. i was reforming the '06 case to the 7x57 case, i forgot to chamber them. in the 08 Brazilian it werks.....sort of. in the 93 Venezuelan its a no go. stupid me never checked the shoulder, it should have been staring at 1.728" and finishing at 1.866". no problem, i tell myself, i just have adjust the die....and i did, but i didn't do the case lube.