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Post by todddoyka on Apr 22, 2021 11:06:47 GMT -7
i have finished my krag stock. i used citristip(4 times ), sanded the stock(340 and 400 grit), cheesecloth it, put on barley dark oil woodfiller(2 days), 400 grit and 0000 steel wool, cheesecloth,7 coats of minwax antique oil and FINALLY one coat(2days) of johnson's paste wax. (the pix don't do it justice) i have cleaned a sporter Brazilian model 1908 (98 mauser) and i have put on my first scout scope. i.ve got a b square mount, butit just doesn't fit the rear sight. i have another 98 mauser rear scope mount in my junk drawer(probably some chinese model?) that fits. i'll probably do a flange nut on the rear of the rear sight, but i'll shoot her in to see. the scout scope is a vortex 2-7x . now on to next rifle project(s), 93 mauser in richard's Apache gold wolverine stock and i think a sporter 91 mauser or another krag stock.
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Post by todddoyka on Apr 22, 2021 11:20:12 GMT -7
this is what the krag looked like......... 1st 2nd changed the stock to an sporterized original
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Post by missionary on Apr 22, 2021 14:28:01 GMT -7
I do like the walnut on a military rifle. Just looks right ! Wood turned out nice. That receiver sight would be a fine hunting rig.
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Post by Bullshop on Apr 25, 2021 19:21:12 GMT -7
I was thinking the Krag was not a complete rifle. It looks ready to shoot. Is it still in 30-40 ?
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Post by todddoyka on Apr 26, 2021 8:00:12 GMT -7
yep, its still a 30-40 and it shoots great!!!!! ask the deer??? oh, wait a minute.... i have four 1898 springfield armory, 2 actions without bolts and 2 sporterized. the one rifle(shown) used to be my great grandpap rifle(and grandpap, dad, late uncle). i'll never get rid of her. when i'm gone, then one of my sons will have that honor. the other three will be a 22 hornet, 257 krag(or krag ai) and a 9.3 krag, if i can stop buying the mausers!!!!!!!
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Post by Bullshop on Apr 26, 2021 10:40:23 GMT -7
Just one more wont hurt ! BTW you left out the 405 Jess Krag.
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Post by todddoyka on Apr 26, 2021 19:04:58 GMT -7
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Post by todddoyka on Apr 26, 2021 19:05:12 GMT -7
double post
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Post by Bullshop on Apr 27, 2021 7:58:32 GMT -7
Yup ! That's the way I see it too. You have no choice !
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Post by todddoyka on Apr 27, 2021 10:03:03 GMT -7
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Post by Bullshop on Apr 27, 2021 17:30:00 GMT -7
Tod this is for you. An 1898 Krag 22 hornet. Notice the set triggers. I have never seen another Krag with set triggers. The targets were fired today at 100 yards with three different loads. The five shot target was first so one was from a cold clean barrel. The load for that target was with the NEI #2 bullet at 48 gn on 12gn of Lil-Gun and a CCI # 550 SRM primer. The target with ten shots was with five shots each of two different loads. The load that shot three low of the bull was with the CBE 55gn on 8.1gn of H-110 and a WW- wsr primer. The vertical stringing of that load I attribute to the H-110 powder being loaded to less than its optimal chamber pressure. This is typical of H-110 when loaded to less than optimum pressure. The cure might be a wee bit more powder or a magnum primer or both. The five shots that are all in the bull were with the CBE 55gn on 12.2gn Lil-Gun and a CCI 550 primer. This is a darn good shooting rifle. If I said the purpose of this was not to make you envious I might be lying. Now to get Tina to post the pictures.
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Post by Bullshop on Apr 27, 2021 17:49:10 GMT -7
double post
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Post by todddoyka on Apr 27, 2021 18:54:29 GMT -7
you are right, i am envious!!!!!!!
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Post by Bullshop on Apr 27, 2021 21:26:36 GMT -7
Rumor has it that I may soon get to work up loads for a 22 Squirrel. I think that what I will learn is that it will fall right in line with the 22 Cooper data I have developed. Both have identical case volume but the Squirrel case is so easy to make cases for and the Cooper very difficult. Top end loads should push a 55gn cast bullet to 2000 fps. The one heavy bullet load for the 22 WMR from Federal shooting a 50gn bullet to 1600 fps is a useful load. The original BP load for the 22 WCF shot a 46gn bullet to 1550 fps. Those ballistics will be easy to achieve with moderate pressure loads in the 22 Squirrel. A 22 LR with 40gn in the HV loading does 1330 fps or so from a rifle according to my Ohler 33. That will be just idling for the 22 Squirrel. With the spotty availability of RF ammo and the high cost having these kind of small CF cartridges is very attractive when you compare the cost of ammo If you cast your bullets and load your own ammo a 50 round box is only a few dollars as compared to something around $65.00 for a box a factory 22 Hornet or even $5.00 to $10.00 for a box of 22 LR if you can find them.
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Post by missionary on Apr 28, 2021 5:35:55 GMT -7
That is a fine looking rifle for squirrels and such ! I have looked at alot of Krags and those set triggers are also the first I have seen ! Any information who made them / installed them ?
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Post by missionary on Apr 28, 2021 5:40:53 GMT -7
I guess I should look into some Lil-Gun powder this time up for our Hornets... I do not think we have any powders that group that nice at 100. But the hunting we do we never see anything over 50 yards away.
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Post by Bullshop on Apr 28, 2021 7:33:52 GMT -7
I have had a bunch of hornet rifles and most wouldn't do as well as this one but some did. I remember two that were very good one an early CZ in the Euro Lux model and one a TC Aristocrat. This rifle has the 1/16" rifling twist rate that was pretty much standard in depression era hornet rifles. Even so as you can see it shoots the 55 grain CBE bullet design quite well something the experts say it will not do. The reason is bullet density and that a cast bullet will have more weight in a similar design and length of a jacketed bullet because of its homogenous density over the dual density of a jacketed bullet. In short with a cast bullet you can get more weight in a shorter package and it is length not weight that will determine the required rotational velocity for in flight stability . I obviously like guns and shooting but my passion is for unique guns and this one is. I have several others like the Trap Door recently acquired and the Sulphur River Sharp. I imagine some day when my estate is being distributed to family that these unique guns will in a way define who I was.
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Post by missionary on Apr 28, 2021 8:25:54 GMT -7
Well I have to write that unique firearms do grab my attention. My favorite 45-70 is a Peabody. My favorite Flintlock is a 1819 Military Hall we all Vesuvius due to the vent being vertical due to it being a breech loader. My favorite lever rifle is a 50-95 1876 repro. And on a list could go but it is interesting how we were created to be unique people and fit right into this world.
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Post by todddoyka on Apr 28, 2021 10:14:30 GMT -7
my favorite rifle has to be a winchester m94(1972) in 35/30-30. i sent it to JES Reboring and he did an awesome job!!! i retired the 30-30 some 25+ years ago to do other rifles. i heard about the 35/30-30 about 5 - 6 years ago, but i didn't have the money (or rather i spent it on on rifles)to give to jesse. then two(or was it 3) years ago, i had the money to send it to jesse. he sent it back and instantly i fell in love(again) with the 35/30-30. the sintered steel action looks like a dog peed on it, but it is mine. coming in at #2 is a husqvarna m46 in 9.3x57. i bought this rifle from simpsons for $305(s&h s&h included). i had my gunsmith do a d&t, bend the bolt handle and a two position safety. i took her huntingearly doe season and she THWAPPED a doe!!! later during rifle deer season, she had three bucks come to me. one was a small 6pt that i let go. two and three were huge bucks, but i couldn't get a shot at two and three was swiveling his head when i noticed that he had broken off his left antler(like 6" up was gone). so i let him go. now she's back at the gunsmith to do a spring lock kit and put on a rifle pad(it was a piece of black plastic and round head screws!!!)
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Post by Bullshop on Apr 28, 2021 17:51:08 GMT -7
That 9.3x57 is a sweetheart of a cartridge that you rarely hear about on this continent. But in the arctic regions on the opposite side of the globe it is a well respected standard for moose.
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Post by missionary on Apr 28, 2021 18:47:01 GMT -7
It should be well respected ! It has real near all the capability of the .375-06 (Whelen) !
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Post by todddoyka on Apr 28, 2021 23:17:10 GMT -7
i was looking for a rifle that next to nobody had. i knew of the 9.3x62, but that about as i far as i went. then i went to simpson's web page and i noticed they had 9.3x57. so i looked into the reloading data. i found some, but nothing on cast boolits. in my findings, i "found" www.gunboards.com/forums/ . there is a small sect of Canadian guys and 1 or 2 Americans that luv the 9.3x57. there is even a smaller sect that does 9.3 boolits. i read they're posts on the 9.3x57 and asked some questions. they happily responded and i happily sent simpson's the money. then i go to Dan and i happily send the money in exchange for his 280gr rn gc. the boolits were/are accurate as heck. last year, i was use to use them.........but Dan gave me his new boolit, 275gr wfn gc, to try. i loaded them up in 1/2gr implements(38.0 - 43.0gr of imr4895) and they are beyond accurate. i could do 44.0 - 46 or 47gr but my shoulder does NOT like or want them. i think(have to get my book) that 39.5gr is the sweet spot. it shoots lightly on my shoulder and it thwaps deer.
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Post by Bullshop on Apr 29, 2021 6:51:03 GMT -7
A person could spend a lifetime of study on the terminal performance of expanding VS non expanding cast bullets to come to a full understanding of how each variable change will effect the terminal performance. For sure a non expanding is more predictable in the consistency of its performance. One good indicator of potential terminal performance is the BC of the cast bullet. In this case a high BC that is desirable for ballistic performance can have a negative effect on terminal performance. Cast bullets with higher BC will have more pointy nose shapes and lower BC will have more blunt nose shapes. Anyone having access to the early editions of the Lyman cast bullet hand book can look at the BC chart in that book and see the extent of change in BC going from pointed or semi pointed, then to round nose, then to flat nose on bullets of the same caliber and similar weight and length. If your looking at designs to shoot long range target go with the high BC but if for hunting go with the lowest BC per equal weight. In our 9.3mm 280gn RN-GC it is designed to be something close to the shape of the jacketed bullets the cartridge is factory loaded with in Norma and RWS ammo. It shoots good but because of its round nose (higher BC ) it is less desirable as a hunting bullet. Understanding that fact and also knowing that our limited offerings in this caliber were lacking a good hunting bullet I used the on line design program at Mountain Molds to design what I thought would be a good hunting bullet design and so far it appears I was successful. As it turns out it would be the last bullet I would ever design using that program because Dan Lynch has since retired and Mountain Molds is now no more.
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Post by missionary on Apr 29, 2021 6:51:04 GMT -7
We found our 375-06 rifles with a 270 FN pushed to any FPS over 1800 slams into critters and steel with authority! 2000 FPS+ turns it into a crusher.. but still enjoyable on our younger shoulders. This is off cross sticks or standing / sitting. 2400 FPS out of the 375 H&H never gets shoot off a bench. But I would hunt any critter with it or up to the 300 FN if it was a nasty bitty beast.
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Post by Bullshop on Apr 29, 2021 7:20:48 GMT -7
I also used Dan's program to design our 375 caliber 370gn bullet and it too was designed for hunting. The wounding capability of that bullet is beyond belief. My top end velocity in my 26" barrel 375/06 is just shy of 2400 if I recall correctly. As I earlier stated it would require a lifetime of study to fully understand terminal effect of ballistic changes and varying degrees of expanding to non expanding cast bullets but for certain the higher the terminal velocity for any nose shape the larger the wound. The bullet weight has a tremendous effect on the terminal velocity and its rate of deceleration. The greater the weight the greater the momentum and the greater the retained terminal velocity. If we were to take two bullets of the same caliber of the same nose shape but of different weight say a 375 caliber 270gn and a 370gn and give then the same impact velocity in the same media resistance and both exit the bullet with the greater weight will exit with a higher velocity. If as I said that terminal velocity has great effect on wound size then the bullet exiting with a higher velocity will have created the larger wound. This is putting things in simple terms because as I said this subject alone would require a lifetime of study to have a total mental grasp of the effects of all the variable changes but it makes the point of the physic's of momentum and what Sir Isaak Newton meant when he told us quite simply that "" energy in motion tends to stay in motion ""
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Post by todddoyka on Apr 29, 2021 10:19:46 GMT -7
A person could spend a lifetime of study on the terminal performance of expanding VS non expanding cast bullets to come to a full understanding of how each variable change will effect the terminal performance. For sure a non expanding is more predictable in the consistency of its performance. One good indicator of potential terminal performance is the BC of the cast bullet. In this case a high BC that is desirable for ballistic performance can have a negative effect on terminal performance. Cast bullets with higher BC will have more pointy nose shapes and lower BC will have more blunt nose shapes. Anyone having access to the early editions of the Lyman cast bullet hand book can look at the BC chart in that book and see the extent of change in BC going from pointed or semi pointed, then to round nose, then to flat nose on bullets of the same caliber and similar weight and length. If your looking at designs to shoot long range target go with the high BC but if for hunting go with the lowest BC per equal weight. In our 9.3mm 280gn RN-GC it is designed to be something close to the shape of the jacketed bullets the cartridge is factory loaded with in Norma and RWS ammo. It shoots good but because of its round nose (higher BC ) it is less desirable as a hunting bullet. Understanding that fact and also knowing that our limited offerings in this caliber were lacking a good hunting bullet I used the on line design program at Mountain Molds to design what I thought would be a good hunting bullet design and so far it appears I was successful. As it turns out it would be the last bullet I would ever design using that program because Dan Lynch has since retired and Mountain Molds is now no more. i bought forster 1/16" and 1/8" hp kits for the 9.3mm 280gr rn gc. i was going to hp the boolits for deer. but that has been put on the back burner. from what read, the depth of the hp should go no further where the rifling touches the boolit. you can go up the ogive length to find out where its starts and stops expanding. +++from what i read+++, which isn't alot. www.shootersforum.com/threads/resizing-problem.65907/#lg=thread-65907&slide=0mountain molds will be missed.
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