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Post by Junior on Jan 26, 2021 12:58:55 GMT -7
I’ve got two big bore rifles I’m thinking about putting scopes on.
The first one is a Remington model 700 in 458 win mag. Right now, it’s got a set of Williams peep sights on it, but during moose season last year I had to pass up on a shot because I couldn’t see well enough in the low light to make the 200ish yard shot with the irons. This rifle has brutal recoil, and has already killed a redfield 2-7 that I had on it before, as well as the Williams peep sight, which is now epoxied in place. This rifle has also killed its stock so it’s safe to say it’s gonna need a pretty tough scope.
The second one is a Ruger left handed guide gun in 375 Ruger. This rifle has a 20” barrel on it. I’m looking into finding some QD Rings for it, so I can take the scope on if need be. I’ll Probably be using this rifle To guide moose hunters this fall if everything works out for me to get that job.
I’m really looking for like a 1-6 to put on these rifles with a true 1x for that quick, in the brush type shooting. Unfortunately the trend these days seems to be long range shooting so everything seems to be high power tactical scopes, and the scopes that are one power have goofy reticules for AR15s
So. Who currently makes a good quality low powered scope, with a standard BDC reticule. Repetitive finger click turrets would be nice, not not a necessity.
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Post by Bullshop on Jan 26, 2021 13:13:59 GMT -7
Trijicon is now making sporting rifle scopes and their military optical sights have earned a reputation for battle field ruggedness. Might look weird showing up with an AKOG mounted on a 458 but I bet it wouldn't fail you. I think True glow is another company you might look into. Their fiber optic tech is top shelf and tough.
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Post by missionary on Jan 26, 2021 16:47:26 GMT -7
We have a Ruger #1 in 375 H&H that we put a Micro Dot scope on it. So far with over 100 rounds through it no issues. We purposely used the Micro Dot as we have them on our BFR 454 and 475 Linebaugh with no issues. Simple 1x on off switch with a brightness control. Come in Black or a dull silver.
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Post by Junior on Jan 27, 2021 2:48:16 GMT -7
I’ve been reading about scopes for the last two days. It’s 30’below, so there is nothing better to do, so I’ve read up and watched more YouTube videos then I care to admit and think I finally settled on one of three.
The first one is Vortex Strike Eagle. They offer this in a 1-6 and a 1-8 model. I have several Vortex scopes and like them. It does have some extra goofy stuff on its reticule, but I think I can work with it. It has a BDC reticule with a dot instead of a cross hair. The dot is 1 MOA. The BDC reticule and the adjustments are also all in MOA. This scope also has a massive amount of adjustment for its size, with 140 MOA of adjustment. It also has a illuminated reticule, SFP
My second choice is the Burris RT6. I actually like everything abou this scope better except for two things. For one, the reticule is much simpler. It’s a BDC, and a dot instead of a cross hair, and a horseshoe around the upper part of it, and just some simple hash marks. Now my issues with this is the center aiming dot is only .25 MOA which seems way too small to me. Even with my good eyes, I can’t see something that small at 100 yards. The other issue is that the scope is all set up for MRAD and I prefer MOA.
The third choice is actually a new option and I AM getting one of these scopes, but not sure if I want to get two without proving it first. My friend Andy is Skinner sights one Montana brought out his own line of scopes last year. It is a 1-6 as well, and has a reticule he designed for hunting. He is sending me one of these to run through the ringer and try out for him.
It should be noted that all of these scopes are in the same 300-400 dollar price range. They all have 30mm tubes and they are all illuminated reticule.
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Post by Bullshop on Jan 27, 2021 10:35:04 GMT -7
So have you now named your 458 "The Ringer "" ? If it survives that it should be good to go !
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Post by Junior on Jan 27, 2021 11:44:13 GMT -7
Ok, so I was wrong. The. Dot size on the Burris is .25 MIL which would put it at .85” which is a much more usable size.
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Post by Junior on Jan 28, 2021 16:52:07 GMT -7
Well, I bought a scope today. I ended up getting a Vortex Viper PST gen 2 1-6x24. It was quite a step up in price from the other scopes I was looking at, listed at $899 but I was able to pull some strings and got mine for $549. This scope actually has just a regular cross hair reticule with some hash marks for wind image and elevation hold. Much simpler design. I think the hash marks are 4 MOA apart. The scope also has a lot dot at the center of the reticule instead of a whole slew of weird things. Much simpler. It’s a hunting rifle, I don’t need a bunch of extra BS. The red dot is extremely bright and can be picked up in bright light quite easy. This will be great for quick shots on low power since I will basically be able to use it as a Red dot sight. The scope does have covered turrets, but they are target type turrets with 1/2 MOA adjustments. This will be going on my 375 Ruger, and it will give me a good scope to compare the skinner optics to when it shows up in a few weeks. vortexoptics.com/vortex-viper-pst-gen-2-1-6x24-riflescope.html?vortex_reticle=24
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Post by Junior on Jan 29, 2021 18:20:42 GMT -7
My 375 is supposed to be here next week.
I considered mounting up this new scope on my 45/70 and trying it out but decided to wait, and just put it on the 375.
While researching for this scope, I was amazed at how little is out there on putting low power scopes on hunting rifles. I know it used to be somewhat common practice, but everyone seems to be focused on the Modern sporting rifles these days.
Because of this, I have sent off 24 Emails in the last couple days, with more going o ur as I have time, asking different manufacturers to send me scopes to test on big bore rifles. The plan is to write a article and send it to my publisher. There are quite a few scopes on the market that seem to fit the bill for a dangerous game rifle.
A couple companies have already answered, and I have a couple scopes on the way, as well as a couple sets of QD rings from Warne.
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Post by Bullshop on Jan 29, 2021 18:31:17 GMT -7
Dangerous game guns now are guns you take to the seedy parts of the city when you have to go there, mostly black guns.
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Post by Junior on Jan 29, 2021 22:33:00 GMT -7
I guess we are pretty blessed, because our biggest threat so far is still the moose that doesn’t like sharing my snowshoe trail.
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Post by Bullshop on Jan 30, 2021 8:41:13 GMT -7
Yes true but that can change quickly. With the possibility of societal break down due to shortages of life essentials roving gangs could start hunting prey in rural areas. For such a situation a "" dangerous game gun"" might be desirable. Ours are Marlin 10 shot lever actions with a loading crew. A 320 Gould hollow point cast in pure lead starting out at 1500 fps is going to make a hole at the ranges such an encounter might take place. We also possess the means to keep them out of their range not ours. Chance favors a prepared mind !
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Post by Junior on Jan 30, 2021 12:44:44 GMT -7
Mine is actually 45/70 now. Because I can handle any situation up here with it. That GBL I picked up, I have become very fond of, and it holds 7 rounds. One my my concerns of push comes to shove would be body armor, and I believe getting hit in the chest by a 499 grain bullet at 1800 FPS would skew the fight out of someone, I even if the bullet just impacted a best and stopped.
I had a AR15 in 6.5 grendel for a long time, but when I mailed it up here when I moved back, the post office lost it and I’m not buying at these prices.
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Post by Junior on Feb 10, 2021 11:22:54 GMT -7
I had a email conversation with the good people at Burris, and they are sending me a scope to try out as well, a RT-6 model. Sticker price is quite a bit cheaper then the Vortex that I bought, however the guys I talked with Burris is confident that it’s a better scope. We will see. Out of all the sub 500 dollar scopes I looked at, the Burris was the one I liked the best.
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Post by Bullshop on Feb 10, 2021 17:00:28 GMT -7
I think there was an article on the new line of Trijicon scopes in this months American Rifleman.
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Post by Junior on Feb 10, 2021 18:02:34 GMT -7
I’ll have to see if I still have my last one. I normally just throw them straight in the trash.
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Post by Junior on Feb 16, 2021 2:30:40 GMT -7
The 375 showed up today. Got the 1-6 Vortex mounted on it and it is just about a perfect combination. I do wish I could find just a little bit lower rings, and I would actually be able to use the express sights through the scope, but for now, we will just live with it. I did have a little trouble getting it sighted in, because I forgot that it’s .5 MOA adjustments instead of .25. Once we got it dialed it, it shot great. My buddy Roy has the exact same rifle as mine in a 338 win mag, and the 375 Ruger seems like it is easier on the shoulder. He likes my scope set up so well that we ordered one for his rifle, and will be taking off the 2-7 redfield he has.
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Post by Bullshop on Feb 16, 2021 8:25:58 GMT -7
Looks nice and a lefty too. I always thought that the 338 WM was more punishing in recoil than the 375 H&H and from what I remember the 375 Ruger is ballisticly a more efficient 375 H&H. The 375 Ruger is factory loaded to it full potential but the H&H never was.
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Post by missionary on Feb 16, 2021 11:36:58 GMT -7
Very nice ! |One thing for sure you should be able to sort things out up close or to a respectable distance. I am rather fond of caliber .38 rifles and anyone of them with a 270 grain FN chugging along at impact velocity of 2250 fps+ is going to put a big hurt on the target.
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Post by Junior on Feb 16, 2021 11:43:03 GMT -7
Yeah, I went with a left handed rifle this time. As you well know, I shoot left handed. And I decided it was finally time to get myself a left handed hunting rifle. Normally when I run a bolt gun, I will hold the rifle up to my shoulder with my left hand by the pistol grip, tilt my head back and run the bolt with my right hand. This works fine for most rifles, but I found with the 458 win mag, that rifle was just too heavy to run that way, and I wanted to be able to get off follow up shots quickly. Most of the time, unless I’m shooting off of a bench, I have my arm wrapped through the sling to use it as a brace, and that slows me down as well since I have to unwrap my arm from the sling to run the bolt.
So I hunted down and ordered the 375 in a left hand. It’s definitely gonna take some getting used to, but I do like how much easier it is for me to run the bolt. However, I’ve spent the last 20 years loading the magazine of the rifle from the open right side of the rifle, and it just feels so wrong trying to load the magazine from the left with my left hand.
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Post by Junior on Mar 15, 2021 0:35:06 GMT -7
I finally got dies on the way way for 375 Ruger. It took me awhile to find any. I didn’t figure people would be panic buying for that caliber, and they may not be, but everything was out of stock. I finally found a Lee 3 die set today that was about twice the cost that I’ve ever paid for Lee dies.
I have 60 pieces of brass now, most of it still loaded, as I couldn’t find brass so went the route of buying factory ammo to get the brass, plus I wanted to be able to shoot the rifle. At 86 bucks a box, that hurt, but thanks to my trial run of communism I had a few extra bucks to spend.
I have a couple boxes of 250gn Barnes TTSX bullets on hand. I wanted to go heavier but in these times, a guy takes what he can get.
In the note of scopes, the skinner optic came in and Ive been playing with it. It is a nice scope for the money, but does not compare to the vortex.
Hopefully my dies will be here soon and I’ll be able to start working up some loads. I’m planning on taking this rifle up in the hidukivich valley after snow melt to look for a griz with my buddy Roy.
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Post by missionary on Mar 15, 2021 6:09:36 GMT -7
We shoot 375 H&H mainly with 275 grain FNG PC'd at 22-2450 fps. I do think that 250 Barnes will put the zippidee-doda on any critter you put that slicer through.
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Post by Junior on Mar 16, 2021 15:51:01 GMT -7
Well, naturally as soon as I get everything gathered up, I get called back to work up on the slope, so it’s gonna be awhile before I get to play with the 375 Ruger any more.
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Post by Bullshop on Mar 16, 2021 21:01:47 GMT -7
""I’m planning on taking this rifle up in the hidukivich valley ""
No matter how many times I have been there I will always want to go one more time. I have seen many griz up there but also the biggest black I have ever seen. You know its a big black when the griz will just leave him be. The biggest black I ever took went 6' 11" nose to tail after tanned and that black up there was much bigger.
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Post by missionary on Mar 17, 2021 5:55:02 GMT -7
Any time a paying job calls is a good indication you have something they want.
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Post by Junior on Mar 17, 2021 12:44:29 GMT -7
Any time a paying job calls is a good indication you have something they want. Yep, I’ve earned a good reputation in my field as being good at critical lifts and moves with equipment. This one is getting a old job site trailer out of a very tight spot where the operator they had wasn’t cutting the cheese. We got it out and loaded up today and heading south. Now I’ll hang out for a few weeks, and help with a pig chase starting next week and will be running the operator crew on that project.
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Post by grasshopper on Aug 26, 2021 21:12:31 GMT -7
Was just reading over this older post about low power scopes. Your last post about it was back in March and was wondering if you had a chance over the summer to form any thoughts about which scope worked best for your needs. From what I read you were primarily going to be using it on your Ruger guide gun in 375 Ruger while doing some guiding of moose hunters this fall? As September 1st is fast approaching I was just curious what you were thinking now. Another thing I wanted to mention, I’ve had one of the Vortex strike eagles since they came out and have been a huge fan from the start, great price point, super tough and their customer service is first rate. On the trigicon optics the only experience I really have came from the military. They are super rugged pieces also and I’ve seen where they have actually been shot and continue to work, my only complaint would be the price, they sure ain’t cheap! A bit of trivia, when the folks a trigicon first started making them they would put a Bible chapter and verse on the optic, ie John 3:16, like anything good someone complained and they stopped doing it, go figure.
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Post by Junior on Aug 27, 2021 8:01:25 GMT -7
If I could have found a decent gen1 strike eagle I would have been all over that, but I am not a fan of the gen 2. As a side note, I think the skinner optic that I have on my 45/70 right now is just a rebranded Vortex strike eagle with a more standard BDC reticule.
As far as the scopes go, I never did hear back from Burris about sending one out for me to test, and I never got time this year to go bear hunting anyway. I worked straight from March until the first week of august with no time off, took two weeks off and am back up at work now.
Let’s talk about the 2 scopes I did get. The Voretrx Vioer PST gen2 and the Skinner optics. Both 1-6x24 with 30mm tube. Both offer hold over value marks. Both have illuminated reticules. Street price on the Vortex was around 600, street price on the Skinner is around 250. The Vortex is 5oz heavier. Actually. The reticule is not illuminated. The center dot on both scopes is. Also, both scopes claim a true 1-1 on the lowest power setting, but I find it is actually a sub zoom and I have to set the power to about 1.5 for it to feel equal to the outside world.
The Skinner is a nice little scope, but I do have a couple issues with it. The main one being that I can’t get a sharp picture. For me, the focus screw does not there in far enough to get the picture as sharp as I would like at max power. Also, after shooting high recoil rounds with the scope on various rifles, as some point it developed a fleck on the inner lense. It’s small, but noticeable, and moves around with each shot. Doesn’t affect the usefulness of the scope though. The illumination is rather dim, and not bright enough to use in day light as a reddot. The dot is also rather small. Over all I give the scope a 3 out of 5. I would buy another, but this one is slightly disappointing
The Viper is a much better scope. Nice low capped target turrets with good solid clicks. The illuminated dot is very bright, and easy to see even in bright day light for using as a reddot for quick shooting. The reticule has MOA hash marks instead of the random distances on the Skinner. It’s a very stout little scope with good clear glass. And it has not argued about the recoil from the 375 Ruger at all. I would give it a 4.5 out of 5 for the price point. The only think I don’t like is the extra weight and the fact that the low power zoom is actually lower then 1-1 for my eye. Also, I think it’s worth mentioning the insane amount of adjustment. The Vortex has 160MOA of Windsor and elevation adjustment compared to the 70 MOA on the Skinner.
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Post by grasshopper on Aug 27, 2021 8:15:29 GMT -7
My vortex is a gen one strike Eagle and I’ve been more than happy with it although I would agree with you somewhat at times it seems hard to get a really clear picture, really I thought it was just my eyes till I heard you say so. My scope hasn’t been subjected to near the recoil as yours has I’m sure. I’ve used it on a Springfield M1A, a Colt M4 and it presently is on a Ruger Compact magnum in 308. I’m not exactly sure how long I’ve had it but it must be close to ten years if not longer and I think I only paid a little over $200 for it at the “Cop shop” in town, with my retired military ID I get the same prices the LEO guys get if the company has discounts for them. Like with Glock, if I wanted a new Glock it would be $398 plus tax, so for around $450. It’s also interesting that you said you thought the Skinner was a rebranded Strike Eagle 1 you think? Did I read that you had an issue with the Skinner on the Marlin GBL you had it on? Thought I remembered you saying that but I’m not sure.
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Post by Junior on Aug 27, 2021 8:23:57 GMT -7
I’ve had the Skinner on several rifles. It currently lives in a GBL 45/70 though. Andy sent it to me for recoil testing, so it’s been on a canoe paddle 338, 375 Ruger, 375 H&H, 45/70, 458 win mag and several other rifles. The only recoil related issue is that small fleck that now floats around in the inner plane of the scope, I believe on the same glass lense the reticule is etched onto. I actually believe it is a rebranded strike eagle gen 2.
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