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Post by todddoyka on Dec 6, 2020 14:27:15 GMT -7
this will be after i'm done with another 93 mauser. i'm guessing early summer?
i was at my bench when it hit me. i was going to use a 1898 spr armory action to make my 22 hornet(don't care if its a single shot), but i have a 93 spanish mauser action , including a cut military stock(which makes it "cute baby rifle"), that i was going make a 257 roberts out of it.
i have two 1898 spr armory without bolt actions and one 1898 spr armory rifle(without sights and it was bubbaed). i was going to do a 9.3 krag(9.3/30-40 krag) and a 405 JES. the other action was going to be a 22 hornet. i've had a 6.5 krag on my brain for a couple of weeks, so the 22 hornet vs 6.5 krag is on my mind too.
the krag has the advantage of being rimmed. the 93 mauser causes alot of problems, not to mention the feeding. i'll take a single shot 93 mauser every day and twicet on sunday. is it possible to do a single shot 93 spanish mauser in 22 hornet? if so, what do you need to do it?
yes, it will be cast boolits only.
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Post by Bullshop on Dec 6, 2020 17:11:05 GMT -7
Well the simple answer to "" what do you need "" is money. The tricky part to converting old milsurp bolt guns to 22 hornet is building up the bolt face to fit the small 22 hornet rim. And as if that weren't enough then extending the extractor claw to reach that tiny rim. Those are your challenges. The rest is pretty straight forward unless you want a repeater.
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Post by missionary on Dec 7, 2020 5:27:15 GMT -7
Looks like a H&R or similar single shot would make more economic sense. Does Henry now make a Hornet ?
H&R can be found for about $300. Probably less at shows.
A Contender barrel if you have a frame. Could ream a .22 LR Contender.
Got a Ruger #3 Get a barrel
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Post by Bullshop on Dec 7, 2020 9:25:24 GMT -7
When in our passion have we ever let economic sense be our guide? I know that these projects can get financially out of hand quickly if allowed or hurried but with patience and a talent for bargaining still stay within reason. We also have to keep in mind the fact that "" this is for me"" and if I ever sell I will loose money. In that for me context what value can you put on pleasure and enjoyment? I think everyone has some sort of annual budget for that purpose weather it be for vacations or whatever floats your boat. Very likely anyone reading this site allows at least part of that "" for fun"" budget for shooting related supplies and equipment.
My pleasure in these milsurp conversions is from the past. I so admire the depression ere craftsmanship of the day that can be found today for very reasonable prices but having the same work done today would be cost prohibitive. Work done then was done at an hourly pay rate that we can not fathom today. That and the fact that between the wars pre 1900 milsurps were at near give away prices.
My adopted Dad once told me that even as late as in the 50's he bought a TD Springfield with a case of milsurp BP ammo for $5.00 BTW he said he used the TD to take two of three grizzlies that had been re-located from Yellowstone that had a bounty put on them for killing cattle.
Anyway finding work done then is like a form of art for me. Some folks admire paintings from certain artists and likewise I enjoy the art of certain gun smiths from the past. Just as in other forms of art the masters are often copied and many done well.
In many cases the time and effort that went into these time capsules from the past is not appreciated from the newer generations of BLACK GUN enthusiasts and the prices of these often reflects that lack of interest.
There are and always will be the collector type of very high value specimens such as made by Griffin & Howe and Sedgly and the likes but these are sought after by collectors because of their high dollar value for collecting only and not for the love of using them for what they were intended, shooting.
Admittedly hunting depression era conversions for me is much like trophy hunting in that it is a prize and being so may require greater effort to achieve but that is part of the personal satisfaction of a trophy something no one else will fully appreciate as much as you.
One example for me is a 1922 Springfield conversion just like colonel Whelan's. In all my hunting I have seen several of these but so far have never taken the shot. Why because the trophy has never been quite right so I have let them walk. Still the hunt continues and perhaps one day the perfect trophy will appear and I will walk that extra mile, or remain still for that extra half hour into the darkness, or brave the terrible cold just long enough to have a shot at the right one.
It could just as easily be that my tag will forever go unfilled and just the right one may never cross my path but as is always in hunting for anything and as it should be that the pleasure is not only in the trophy but equally in the hunt.
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Post by todddoyka on Dec 7, 2020 11:15:08 GMT -7
i've decided "this is for me until the day i die". i'm not concerned that i lose money. i have a husky m46 in 9.3x57 that i had d&t, scope bases and rings, bend the bolt handle, a two position safety and a 2-7x leopold. i picked it up from simpsons' for the princely sum of $315/includes s&h. take on another $200 for the scope. d&t, bolt handle, etc. cost me another $300+/-(i changed gunsmiths). $765 is the total cost and don't forget, 9.3x57 dies, 8x57 brass, boolits, powder and primers. lets just say $1000. oh, the husky is going to my gunsmith to make it a cock on opening. (its hard to do a cock on closing with one hand  ) there is no way to recoup the money. i did it for me  !!! i would d&t and do a 2 position safety(i did it many times when i was young) but its probably best if i don't. i can't cheat on metal work, but wood work, i cheat. alot!!!! i think i'll look for a savage m340/342 that will fit a 22 hornet. or i'll go all out and buy a cz527 in 22 hornet. |
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Post by Bullshop on Dec 7, 2020 12:39:39 GMT -7
The Savage 340 can be made from a good gun to a great gun with a couple modifications. The two week points of the Savage 340 are #1 the way it mounts the stock, and #2 the trigger.
Both these shortfalls can be corrected with not too much effort. The mounting issue with the 340 is that it uses only one stock mounting bolt to the front of the receiver and nothing at the rear. The second mounting bolt is into a barrel band mid ways of the barrel. This sort of works but does cause issues with the receiver being inconsistent in movement causing erratic accuracy.
The cure is to mount a block at the rear bottom of the receiver to thread a through bolt into from the bottom rear of the trigger guard. This allows a conventional two point torque of the receiver. The barrel band torque point can then either be retained or eliminated depending on which works better. I generally choose to remove the barrel band and either free float the barrel or full length bed the barrel from the receiver to the forend tip applying between 5 to 10 pounds of upward pressure to the barrel. The pressure is applied by clamping the rifle upside down in a vice while the bedding is curing and at the same time hanging a weight of the desired pressure from the muzzle of the barrel.
The trigger issue can be addressed in a couple way by either replacing with an after marked trigger or modifying the existing trigger. It may be hard to find a replacement trigger now that the 340 is so old so modifying the existing trigger may be the only option. I wont get into the details of the modifications that can be done but will say that without too much effort the stock trigger can be greatly improved. The things that need to be addressed are spring pressure, sear engagement, sear surface area, and trigger over travel. All these things can be done by hand with simple tools but require study of the mechanism and very slow methodical incremental adjustments with great patience applied to repeated assembly and disassembly testing each slight advance. Always remember you can keep going forward but you can never go back when it comes to removing metal from trigger parts.
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) there is no way to recoup the money. i did it for me 
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