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Post by todddoyka on Jul 14, 2020 8:01:14 GMT -7
i did it AGAIN, two more actions. i don't think my 93 spanish mauser will be rebarrel to a 257 bob anytime soon. i have a hard time scraping up money to do my youngest son's 93 spanish rebarrel. and doing the 95 chilean mauser action........ugggghhh!!!! i have enuff on my hands(or hand  ) to do it. i have two richard's gun stocks(wolverine in 98 and 93 mauser) that needs sanded and finished(lin-speed oil). now i have two more to do........ and do it i shall!!!!!! i bring to you, two 1898 springfield armory actions, a 1898 and a 1902 actions based on serial numbers. yeah, i probably paid too much($30 each) but they are mine, to have and hold , till death do us part or some such. i have a 1898 spr armory(1903) bubbasized in 30-40 krag, so what to do, what to do? i know, a 35/40 krag(35 krag) and a 22 hornet. after the rebarrel(my youngest son), i start on the 22 hornet and after that, the 35 krag. i'll have a whole bunch of questions on the 22 hornet, like the extractor, bolt size......and such. i know that the 22 hornet will be one shot and thats ok with me. i use single shots, like the tc encore and ruger #1, and i'm fine with that. one shot, one kill was beat into me by my drill sergeants  .  |
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Post by missionary on Jul 14, 2020 9:23:30 GMT -7
One thing about those Krags actions. It is hard to beat their smooth sliding bolt !
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Post by Bullshop on Jul 14, 2020 11:44:04 GMT -7
When you are ready I can supply some close up pictures of the bolt face and extractor on my 1898 22 Hornet.
Something I have been considering is a Krag in 405 Jess. I know a fella that tried for a 405 win on the Krag but found that the magazine would require extensive re-work for the 405 wcf to feed because of its length. The shorter length of the 405 Jess may solve that problem. Actually I was thinking of the 40 Maynard which is a 40 caliber on the 30-40 case but after hearing mention of the 405 Jess from member Mike I think it may too be an option for the Krag action.
I was very close to dropping the hammer on the Krag rifle that had been cut to 20" and having a muzzle diameter slightly over .8" so well within the limits of minimum barrel diameter for a re-bore to .412" groove diameter. Should have been as simple as sending to Jess for a re-bore to 405 Jess. Well other things came up so that is out of sight but still in mind.
Something I will share is the fact that my 1898 Springfield Hornet is very likely my favorite rifle. Combining an action I like with a cartridge I adore has had that effect. This rifle gets shot many many time over all others we have available and all with lead alloy bullets. It is a work tool helping rid our property of garden destroying gophers accounting for several hundred per year as well as a first choice in guns to grab to just go shooting.
Like you Todd I feel it being a single shot is little to no detriment to its effectiveness.
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Post by todddoyka on Jul 14, 2020 12:40:50 GMT -7
mmmmmmm........the 405 jess(405 JES).......now thats got me thinkin!!!! i've been thinking of 40-65 win in c. sharps m1874 bridgeport rifle but that is just dream of mine. but the 405 JES............
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Post by Bullshop on Jul 14, 2020 14:03:10 GMT -7
Jess once told me that for a safe re-bore there has to be at the very minimum .1" on each side of groove diameter. .412'groove + .2" = .612" minimum and more is better. The cut down Krag I was looking at had .8" muzzle diameter at 20" barrel length. That would have been good and not at all pushing the safety margin. Your going to want the weight there anyway to tame recoil a bit.
When I recently saw that Jess now offers the 400 Whelen chambering I started looking for a 1903 with a fat enough barrel too.
Tina occasionally reminds me that the acquisition of new guns is as I have said for the purpose of developing our for sale ammo line. She then may question "" just how much ammo for the 405 Jess or the 400 Whelen do I think we will sell"". It is usually at that moment I realize I am needed elsewhere.
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Post by missionary on Jul 14, 2020 14:21:06 GMT -7
Now there you go talking about about the 400 Whelen !!! I think I could handle another caliber 41 rifle.
I sure do like the 405. Will do 98% what the 444 will do with the same weight slug. And with all those short 444 brass out there few want to buy making the 405 case is an economical endeavor. Our JES will launch a 345 grain FN out to 50 yards... but it is not stable at 75 yds But our river bottoms seldom let me see anything past 35 yards anyway.
But 320s are shooting OK out to 100 off cross sticks from the 20 inch 336.
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Post by todddoyka on Jul 14, 2020 16:31:43 GMT -7
if jess has the 400 whelen petrov, then i'll look for 1903 springfield or a 1917 enfield action. oh no........'nother one !!! |
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Post by missionary on Jul 15, 2020 5:39:22 GMT -7
Or you an just get yourself a new Shaw barrel installed for near the same price on one of those actions you already have.
Hey Dan... is Shaw barrels up and running ... I think "maybe" we will get out of here in August so would be nice to get a a 257 Rob barrel in the works... 26" should do me fine.
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Post by Bullshop on Jul 15, 2020 6:37:03 GMT -7
I haven't heard anything to the contrary. My total experience with ER Shaw barrels has been good. They got low quality ratings a couple decades ago but they have modernized and upgraded since then.
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Post by missionary on Jul 15, 2020 9:53:01 GMT -7
I know you have had good barrels from them and that counts real high for me. Thank you !
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Post by todddoyka on Jul 15, 2020 18:30:11 GMT -7
i haven't a clue of where/who to go now for a custom barrel. i've used douglas barrels and i like them. recently, i have been using tc encore MGM barrels/green mountain barrels and they are good too. MGM does the chambering and length, green mountain does the rifling and caliber.
it was in the early-mid '90s that er shaw did the low quality ratings. from what i hear know, shaw does a respectable, if not great, job.
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Post by Bullshop on Jul 16, 2020 6:37:01 GMT -7
The difference between bottom end priced barrels and top end priced barrels is twice the price. Are the top end barrels better, probably. How much better ? Since more steps are taken to insure quality in higher end barrels and more time in each and time is money so cost is higher. Since more steps are taken to insure quality there is a greater possibility of consistent quality so a reduced possibility of a sub par barrel being produced. Part of the higher cost is in the higher probability of getting a good barrel and so lower probability of a bad one.
You pay more for the greater chance of getting a great barrel. Not to say that is the only difference but that is part of the difference from start to finish from who made the blank steel cylinders and through how much time and attention was payed in each step of the process.
The same modern barrel making equipment being used by different barrel makers may not necessarily produce the same quality because of attention to detail and quality assurance steps taken at every step. Again more steps equals more time and more time equals more money. Modern equipment alone does not guarantee quality but it sure helps. My point there is that I would rather have a barrel made by Harry Pope on his treadle lathe with hook cut rifling over any barrel produced on modern equipment using the button rifling system. Why? Because he would take his time and rush no detail and do it right or not at all never allowing a mistake or flaw regardless of cost. The battle for modern barrel makers is time verses money but for Harry Pope there would be but one goal, quality regardless of time. So its not necessarily the equipment but also the time spent on every detail to insure quality.
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Post by todddoyka on Jul 16, 2020 9:35:11 GMT -7
springfield armory called in harry pope to see why their rifle weren't accurate. so he goes to springfield armory and he found the problem pretty darn quick. it was loose tolerances of the barrel. i believe it was .308" to .316" in the grooves. i have a 1903 version of the 1898 spr armory and it is .3085". but as you say, "time is money" and today it's all about the quantity, not quality.  |
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Post by Bullshop on Jul 16, 2020 10:52:52 GMT -7
Exactly, and you pay more for the higher probability of quality simply because it took more time to guarantee it.
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) to do it. i have two richard's gun stocks(wolverine in 98 and 93 mauser) that needs sanded and finished(lin-speed oil). now i have two more to do........
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