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Post by Bullshop on Jan 10, 2020 14:52:39 GMT -7
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On another note; I just ordered a batch of 40-65 bullets, Gas Checked and sized to .408. I just slugged the bore of this rifle and it turns out to be .406. Can I use the bullets I ordered from you?
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Shooting cast bullets that are .002” over groove diameter is standard procedure. The one issue is weather or not they will chamber. Old Winchester rifles are notorious for having minimal throat diameters. This for two reasons one that the old brass had thinner necks in most cases and two that the original black powder loads used bullets that were smaller in diameter than barrel groove diameter. Many of the old black powder rounds were totally dependent on bullet obturation for accuracy. The reason they used what we today would call undersize bullets is to allow for black powder fouling build up . If you consider that all muzzle loading conical bullets work in the same way totally dependent on bullet obturation then its seems not such an off idea.
Anyway that was history and this is the present where the general consensus is that cast bullets must be at least .002” over groove diameter or there is no chance for accuracy. So there you go, take your pick because both can work well under their prescribed conditions.
A long story short if the ammo with the .408” bullets chambers freely it is safe to shoot and should be capable of good accuracy. In the end though as always accuracy will be had by using what the gun says it likes and not necessarily what you think it should like.
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Post by sideswipe on Feb 2, 2020 8:00:17 GMT -7
Interesting & worthwhile article. Being fairly new to reloading & cast bullets (about 10 yrs) there’s plenty to learn for me yet. All my rifles are currently using bullets sized .001-.002” oversize. Learned early on that bullet dia & choice of lube makes a big difference,; hardness too. Oh my! Certainly not boring w/all the variations.
Most the folks I hang out with (cowboy silhouette & long range dingers) almost to a one swear that you can have too clean a bore when it comes to accuracy...another interesting topic. Lyman says “a clean rifle is an accurate rifle”. I do have a 30 WCF that seems to shoot better clean (after a few fouling shots of course).
To further muddy the water (don’t mean to get too far off topic) my 1967 336RC loves the LBT design 35 cal, 200 grain bullet but the 1951 336A doesn’t come close to fully chambering the same bullet. Guess its a good thing I love to do a lot of “tinkering”. Bruce
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Post by missionary on Feb 2, 2020 15:21:41 GMT -7
Rifles are like Books...You can never tell by the cover! Seen the same in 38-55 rifles. And also in 1892 44WCF carbines and rifles. But when we figure in which chamber reamer was used, when was it used (wear and tear), and who was running the lathe it does make sense. Saw the same with Dan Wesson revolvers. Swap the barrel and a good load in the 10 inch barrel was not OK in a 6 inch barrel.
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