pandy
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Post by pandy on Jun 20, 2019 16:02:59 GMT -7
Dan, here is a preliminary report on the 200 gr rnfp gc (204 gr as recieved) and the 180 gr RCBS fp gc (198.3 gr as received) bullets.
no accuracy results. rifle is a win 94 post '64 commemorative with 26" octagon barrel set up for lever action silhouette shooting
the 180 gr bullet worked and loaded fine, crimped as normal right under the driving band. this one looks like a winner for my needs.
the 200 grain bullet was crimped in the last grease groove which gave a good OAL for 30-30 winchester...but the ogive would not permit some rounds to chamber. So some of those will need to be pulled...engraved the rifling before round was completely chambered. **the bottom grease groove is well below the neck of the case** dacron filler kept powder away from it most loads
Subsonic loads: 200 grain bullet American Select powder no dacron
(no idea whether these stabilized or not, I was shooting a steel gong behind chrono)
6.0 gr , 940 fps
7.0 gr, 1015 fps
7.5 gr, 1078 fps
8.0 gr, 1135 fps
H4895 preliminary loads 200 gr bullet no filler
24.0 gr, 1770 fps (this is plenty of power for my needs)
25.0 gr, 1850 fps
26.0 gr, 1898 fps maybe primers showing a little pressure. extracted fine. would be moose killer out of this long barrel
Alliant 2400 load, with dacron filler and 200 gr bullet
16.0 gr 1650 fps
N-110 loads with dacron this is VV powder not the same as H-110
17.0 gr, 180 gr rcbs fp bullet, 1725 fps
17.5 gr, 200 gr bullet, 1747 fps very consistent velocity primers looked decent extracted fine
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Post by Bullshop on Jun 20, 2019 16:43:51 GMT -7
Thanks for including the dope on your loads. Someone will undoubtedly find that information useful.
Looking over your loads looks like the 16-2400-200 @ 1650 is about what you mentioned you were looking for.
I am anxious to hear how they perform on tipping over your steel targets.
BWT Welcome to the forum and I hope you continue to share your shooting adventures.
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Post by missionary on Jun 21, 2019 6:12:17 GMT -7
Good morning
Back in 1983-4 I used a Dan Wesson 41 mag 8 inch in the steel Sillywets shooting fired a 210 grain at about 1300 fps and it would flatten the 50 pound ram at 200 meters with any body hit. That is till the most accurate revolver we have ever owned. Still have it. Been a lot of lead through that one.
If the rifle steel is set out to 500 yards that would be a whole lot more of energy loss at impact. Our club also had rifle sillywets and we used a 30-06 with 180 grainers at 2200 fps which did the trick every time with a body hit.
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Post by Bullshop on Jun 21, 2019 9:26:04 GMT -7
Silhouette is a shooting game I have never played but sure would like to. I am not aware of any type of organized shooting sports in my area. Such is the cost of living in a rural setting that has a much higher population density of cows than people.
The closest I have come to shooting silhouette is shooting long range steel gong at Forsythe MT at the Quigley shoot one time 16 years ago. Forsythe is a 400+ mile trip from my current home so not much chance of a second attendance. I only get one day per week off from work and in summer months that is used to gather fire wood. Such is the life of a bullet man. No worries ! I get to live it through others shooting my bullets when ever they share the details.
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Post by missionary on Jun 22, 2019 9:53:34 GMT -7
Silhouette was OK.. But in the end it really amounted to spending a bunch of money in entry fees just to receive little chunks of metal that said what I already knew... I was blessed with excellent vision, hand / eye co-ordination and learned trigger control and sight alignment at an early age. Plus a super accurate Dan Wesson 41 mag revolver made it easy. I would gladly trade all those little chunks of steel for a couple more days of hunting opportunity. Far better to get to stalk another whitetail with a recurve and arrow. Or kayak the North Fork River and catch a few more bass.
And hey, you have access to a 1600 yard shooting area. That is a worthy challenge of any rifleman !
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Post by Bullshop on Jun 22, 2019 11:11:00 GMT -7
Yes I am blessed! My life style and location are not forced but chosen for the peace they bring. My working career was also chosen for the freedom it provided in a work setting that was devoid of other people in untouched places few will ever see. My life focus has never been on the acquisition of wealth but on peace of mind.
Where I now live if I owned a howitzer there are no shortage of locations to exploit its range potential. Yea sometimes range cattle get in the way but there is always another rock on another hill in another direction to aim at. Life is good, God is good !
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Post by missionary on Jun 23, 2019 11:06:32 GMT -7
Wise is the man who recognizes blessings and rejoices in them ! I recon that is why I like you. You encourage me in the right paths.
When I was at Ft Hood Texas we off and on had to "cease fire" when range cattle would mossy across machinegun ranges. Sure was tempting to let a burst go.
WE used to run ops against 1st Air Cav units developing anti chopper tactics and they anti tank. One day my tank got separated from the platoon out in the brush.
We stopped and were looking / listening to find them. I spotted 3 tanks crossing a hill some distance away but was wondering how they got that far so fast... but my only idea was to give chase. About 30 minutes later nothing. So retracing our direction we came across an open area that had maybe a dozen steers munching grass. The driver Louyan asked which way now... Me I said lets heard them "dogies" around a bit so off we went chasing unhappy beefies for some minutes. It was great fun !!!
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Post by Bullshop on Jun 23, 2019 11:55:58 GMT -7
"" tempting to let a burst go"" I have an interesting story about that very thing. When I lived in Alaska we went to the same small church as the local game warden. He knew we were always ready and anxious to retrieve road kill when ever he called so he often called us when there was a kill on the AK highway in our area.
He called one morning for us to get a large bull bison that got rear ended and broke both hind legs.
We got there and found a totaled Suburban and the bison that the warden had just put out of his misery. When I got to gutting him I found a few broken ribs that had healed over. I thought maybe this was not the first time he was hit.
When I got to quartering him about half way up the neck I found a 50 cal FMJ bullet. That bullet had entered the flank broke those ribs and lodged in the heavy neck muscle.
The summer calving ground for the wild bison was across the Delta river which is also an impact area for gunnery practice from nearby fort Greely as well as a bombing range for Eielson AFB about 80 miles north. The pilots are under orders not to molest the bison when making strafing runs and of course they resist the temptation, right !
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Post by missionary on Jun 23, 2019 18:26:56 GMT -7
Yep... Troopers will do what Troopers think they can get away with.
But I am amazed the 50 FMJ even stopped ! But also a large bull is every bit of a heavy duty impact object.
Did you keep that slug ? I would have mounted it on a wood plaque on a wall.
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Post by Phil on Mar 24, 2020 5:43:22 GMT -7
A little follow-up on the original heavy bullet data.
The lbt 200 grain bullet (actual weight 204) would not fly well out of my rifle for whatever reason.
The rcbs-180 (actual weight 198) flies well especially as speed gets up above 1600 fps. My rifle can't stabilize it at subsonic speeds. I will most likely shoot it with 4198 and a Dacron puff filler. Varget also works well but kicks a little more.
My seating die requires no adjustments going from the rcbs 180fp to a Lyman 31141 173 grainer.
I have shot some locally produced lee 150 fp bullets which, despite the noses being a little out-of-round, prints nice clean holes out past 100 yards even subsonic. I think win WST powder is working the best for the subsonic. These 150s are not from the bullshop, which is why they aren't quite round. Ha ha.
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Post by missionary on Mar 24, 2020 8:26:53 GMT -7
Ol' Dan does do a good job splashing the lead into the smaller hole
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Post by Phil on Nov 15, 2020 18:53:33 GMT -7
For a couple reasons, I bought two older Marlin 336A rifles with plans to replace my Win94 Canadian 26" octagon. The winchester shoots Dan's rcbs-180-flat point pretty well, along with the 150 Lee. I stuck with the previously mentioned load with the 180 rcbs and 22 grains of 4198 and a little dacron fluff in there, for 200m lever action silhouette. Plenty of power and moderate recoil.
So now with the Marlins...no happiness with any heavy cast bullets I have tried. One marlin is an early microgroove 21-groove job. Other one is an early Ballard barrel. Totally different barrels.
Weird thing is they both shoot the same loads well. with lighter cast, they like either 7-8 gr of American Select or 10-11 gr of blue dot or IMRBlue. (Alliant Steel seems very close to the Blues and so far works fine under 13 grains. ) Go figure. I shoot these with either 155-160 cast, or the 311041 173grain lyman. Both work and shoot around 1.5" at 100 yards. The 12" twist winchester didn't want to stabilize heavy bullets under 1700 fps, so the marlins have an advantage for slow heavy bullet loads.
all attempts with more powder, slower powder, etc to get a gas checked cast bullet over 1800 fps have failed with these two rifles, so far. I can shoot the mild loads at everything out to the 150m turkeys and switch to a 180 RN jacketed bullet on rams, so it will work out. That's the field report from PA.
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Post by missionary on Nov 16, 2020 5:46:47 GMT -7
What might be the diameter of the bullets and the diameter of the throat areas of those Marlins ?
Each caliber .30 chamber area in a Marlin we have dealt with has been rather generous. So when pressure gets high there seemed to be damaging forces applied to the bullet rear areas before they got to the normal bore diameter.
A fatter cast helped.
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