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22 ccm
Jun 11, 2016 20:10:16 GMT -7
Post by firsttimecaller on Jun 11, 2016 20:10:16 GMT -7
This little cartridge is what led me to this forum. You seemed to have some experience with it based on your comments on another forum. My question is, Do you still mess with it? Can brass and dies still be sourced? By trimming the brass to wmr length, could it be fired from an unaltered wmr chambered/barreled contender? Do you offer bullets closer to .223 if thats whats required? Sorry for shotgunning the questions at you but I'm ecstatic to talk with anyone who's even held one. Thanks for your time and a nice forum with what appears to be a great bunch of guys.
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22 ccm
Jun 11, 2016 21:07:27 GMT -7
Post by Bullshop on Jun 11, 2016 21:07:27 GMT -7
G'Day Sir I will try to get the shotgunning of questions answered before ADD takes over. #1--""Do you still mess with it?"" Oh yea! Its a very dependable component of my gopher arsenal. Keeping gophers out of our gardens is an important aspect of keeping our life style. #2-- ""Can brass and dies still be sourced"" I have not ordered any brass in a few years but as far as I know it is still available from Shroader Bullet Works and is where I got all my brass. Its very good brass that is converted from RP 22 Hornet brass. I have brass that has literally been loaded 100 times and is still going. The trick to long case life is to anneal after about every 6 shots. As for dies mine are from RCBS/Huntingtons and I believe are still available from them as well as a couple other die makers. #3-- "" By trimming the brass to wmr length, could it be fired from an unaltered wmr chambered/barreled contender?"" No the 22 CCM is slightly larger in diameter than the 22wmr. I re-chambered a Contender barrel from 22 mag and the reamer only took out very little metal but it did require reaming. That barrel from Bullberry turned out to be an extremely accurate barrel in 22 ccm. #4--""Do you offer bullets closer to .223 if thats whats required?"" The 22 ccm uses a .224" groove barrel the same as all modern 22 cal CF rifles so it does not require .223" diameter bullets. I shoot only cast bullets sized to .225" diameter. Hope this helps your itch!
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22 ccm
Jun 12, 2016 10:03:52 GMT -7
Post by firsttimecaller on Jun 12, 2016 10:03:52 GMT -7
#4--""Do you offer bullets closer to .223 if thats whats required?"" The 22 ccm uses a .224" groove barrel the same as all modern 22 cal CF rifles so it does not require .223" diameter bullets. I shoot only cast bullets sized to .225" diameter. I had two reasons for asking this. The first was I thought wmr barrels were typically 222 diameter. The second was that I have a jet barrel on the way and I know S&w used a .222 bore in theirs so there is a chance that this barrel may also be. My fingers and toes are crossed but my luck runs like a fish. It's a mgm barrel so I may get lucky. We'll see but are you saying a cast .225 will suffice for the smaller bore?
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22 ccm
Jun 12, 2016 10:18:03 GMT -7
Post by Bullshop on Jun 12, 2016 10:18:03 GMT -7
To my understanding the 22 WMR uses a .224" diameter jacketed or plated bullet. Barrels for combo guns that may shoot both the 22 LR and 22 WMR may use barrel groove diameter of .223" in lieu of the 22 LR use of that diameter bullets. Why don't you just ask MGM what groove diameter they are using in your barrel? Take out the guess work!
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22 ccm
Jun 12, 2016 10:24:19 GMT -7
Post by firsttimecaller on Jun 12, 2016 10:24:19 GMT -7
I'm getting it second hand. The guy looked at me crosseyed when I asked him. I'm not sure he has ever shot it.
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22 ccm
Jun 12, 2016 12:18:36 GMT -7
Post by Bullshop on Jun 12, 2016 12:18:36 GMT -7
Still wouldn't hurt to contact MGM and ask if they use a different groove diameter for the Jet. I doubt they do and will guess all their 22 cal CF barrels are .224" groove.
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22 ccm
Jun 14, 2016 20:38:19 GMT -7
Post by Junior on Jun 14, 2016 20:38:19 GMT -7
AS far as I know MGM uses a .224" barrel.
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Post by 1989toddm on Jul 1, 2016 10:16:56 GMT -7
Can I chime in with one more question? Can the 22CCM be loaded with 22 hornet dies, as long as the brass does not need full length sized?
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22 ccm
Jul 1, 2016 12:10:12 GMT -7
Post by Bullshop on Jul 1, 2016 12:10:12 GMT -7
The 22 hornet is enough longer than the 22 ccm that the 22 ccm case may not at all reach the neck portion of a 22 hornet sizing die so the portion of the neck of the 22 ccm case that holds the bullet would not be sized enough to hold a bullet.
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Post by 1989toddm on Jul 1, 2016 12:20:43 GMT -7
The 22 hornet is enough longer than the 22 ccm that the 22 ccm case may not at all reach the neck portion of a 22 hornet sizing die so the portion of the neck of the 22 ccm case that holds the bullet would not be sized enough to hold a bullet. That answers that! Thanks. I really would rather get a barrel in 22ccm, but I am not in a place to pay for custom dies, plus the brass and chamfering job. Guess I'll start with the hornet for my .22 centerfire.
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22 ccm
Jul 1, 2016 14:02:40 GMT -7
Post by Bullshop on Jul 1, 2016 14:02:40 GMT -7
If you watch the auctions sometimes you can pick up reasonably priced dies that will be short enough to work as a neck die. Case in point I picked up a set of 22 Squirrel and 22 BR short dies on auction for about $15.00 that I use as neck dies for several 22 CF cartridges I load for. I think a new set of 22 TCM Lee dies will run about $35.00 and those should work for neck sizing the 22 CCM. Then again don't let me talk you out of getting a 22 Hornet because I would have nothing bad to say about a Hornet being a long time big time Hornet fan. If you have not you read my wright up about using the Accurate Arms pistol powders in the Hornet you might enjoy doing so. I think it is posted in the general discussion forum.
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22 ccm
Aug 2, 2016 11:18:05 GMT -7
Post by HCL on Aug 2, 2016 11:18:05 GMT -7
Bullshop; Have not talked to you in years (I Live in Palmer) and need some advice on the 22 CCM. I am looking at molds and cant decide between the NOE 225-37-FN or the 225-45-fn design? I leaning toward the 45 FN as I know the FN bullets work better in bigger gun applications. I have a contender with MGM 12" barrel, 1-12 twist so it should stabilize either, it shoots the Sierra 45gr J bullets and 36gr varmint grenades great. What a sweet little cartridge! sure wish I would have started playing with it sooner! Mike
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22 ccm
Aug 2, 2016 11:36:13 GMT -7
Post by Bullshop on Aug 2, 2016 11:36:13 GMT -7
From experience gained from my rifle I would go with the 45gn over the 37gn. My rifle with 1/14" twist has shown a preference for cast bullets between 48 and 62gn. The 62gn NOE shoots good but does show signs of tipping so is at the raged edge of stabilization with the 1/14" twist.
Cast bullets at about 55gn shoot really well. A favorite for my rifle is the NEI #2 at about 48gn with lube and gas check from something like enriched WW alloy.
I have the NOE copy of the Lyman #225107 at 38gn with my alloy and it does shoot acceptably well but my twist is 2" slower than yours so who knows.
Old standby molds like the original RCBS FNGC and the Lyman 225415 both drop from my molds at about 55gn and both shoot extremely well from my rifle.
The 62gn NOE mold I referred to was supposed to be a copy of the newer 55gn RCBS SPT. design but comes in on the heavy side. It is a bore ride design that should shoot extremely well in your rifle with 1/12" twist as long as the bore ride nose section is a snug fit in your barrel.
So in summary to answer your question of the two designs you mention I would go with the heavier of the two but if allowed a third choice from NOE for your 1/12" twist I would lean toward the RCBS copy of their 55gn Spt. design.
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