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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2016 18:11:44 GMT -7
Anyone with experience with using cast bullets in the Webley / Enfiled Mk VI .455 revolver? Yup, the one I have has been cut for use with .45 ACP and moon clips/.45 Auto Rim, but I'll not use either factory loads in it. Factory .45 ACP/.45 Auto Rim have a pressure range from about 18,000 psi on up; whereas the .445 Webley is for 12 - 13,000 psi range. Folks may get by with firing .45 ACP/.45 Auto Rim factory in the .455 Webley for quite some time, or not, but the potential for the cylinder to fatigue out/rupture, gets closer n' closer every time using these two factory rounds. I will be loading .45 Auto Rim with a light load of Red Dot (most likely) behind a cast bullet. From what have garnered with info across the internet, sounding like .454 diameter sized cast bullets will give potentially better results, as compared to a .451 bullet diameter. Probably will go with a cast bullet intended for the .45 Colt, blunt round nose or SWC Keith style. Will see what Bullshop has for something along those lines/shape. Yes, know they have .454 in probably a few different bullet shapes, but need to look over their offerings. In the meantime, just wondering if any among you out there have dealt with reloading for the Webley .455 Mk VI: what bullet diameter; bullet shape; powder n' charge of powder you're using??
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Post by missionary on Apr 17, 2016 7:21:54 GMT -7
Good morning Bear Have found a good starting point with a revolver is the cylinder throat diameters. If the bullet does not fill that diameter it will wobble to any side thus enter the barrel at any angle. Have all sorts of older revolvers whose throat diameters are /were way out of wack when compared to the barrel diameter. The worse of course are the under diameter throats that introduce and under diameter bullet into a fat diameter barrel. Wobble, wobble is about all that gets done sliding down the tube. Give me at least groove diameter throats and I can get some good accuracy. Even fat throats with softer cast will shoot well. So measure those throats. Hopefully they are the same diameter at least groove diameter. Have a caliber 38 Enfield revolver up north. From what I read throat/groove diameters are about as consistent as old Remington and Winchester rifles. So taylor the bullet to your revolver and it will shoot. My revolver probably is a whiole different beast. Mike in Peru till June.
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Post by Junior on May 9, 2016 20:38:27 GMT -7
Have you slugged the barrel/cylinder at all? I'm thinking that that Webley had a groove Diameter of closer to .455/.456", but the throats were only about .450". I believe this is part of the reason the original loads used a hollow base bullet.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 11:55:44 GMT -7
Haven't 'yet' slugged the chamber mouths or the barrel - it's on my List of Things to Do! Research has shown the original bullet (yes, there were many .455 loads over the years it served in the British Empire's service) was predominately .454. There's a good read on the Webley Mk VI here: www.chuckhawks.com/webley_revolver.htm Which also lists .454 as the bullet diameter. This bullet is designed for use in the Webley .455, so may obtain this mold? www.midwayusa.com/product/195619/rcbs-1-cavity-bullet-mold-45-265-rn-hb-455-webley-455-diameter-265-grain-round-nose-hollow-base Reader's comments/reviews are informative. First I'll measure the cylinder throat and the bore size, before spending that kind of $$'s for a mold!! A hollowbase bullet is mostly recommended, from findings/articles located on the web. More research is ongoing... No, for those who might wonder, I don't shoot factory .45 ACP or .45 Auto Rim ammunition/loads in this fine old classic iron. I did come across a box of 500 rounds .45 ACP reloads, with what appears to be the older style H&G 200 gr cast bullets, for $30, as a recent even. Too good a deal to pass up that was!! When checked closer later on, realized the box was not full of .45 ACP loaded brass, but .45 Auto Rim brass! Oh darn!! If I recall correctly, the powder load listed was 4.3 grs Red Dot, which I believe (though doing more research) should be an ok load in the Webley, pressure wise. Remember, the Webley is best served with loads not exceeding 13-14,000 psi. Whereas .45 ACP and .45 Auto Rim factory loads are up in the 18-19,000+ PSI levels. Another project on the table this Webley is. Bullshop: have you a hollowbase, .454/.455/.456 diameter 250,-265 gr bullet in your inventory? I looked in your inventory listing, but not able to tell is any are hollowbase? Depending on matters, might open the chamber mouths up, depending on findings of the chamber mouth n' barrel diameter dimensions? Factory loaded .45 Auto Rim shown in the picture for effects only - again, I won't shoot factory .45 Auto Rim in the Webley. Attachments:
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Post by Bullshop on May 10, 2016 14:09:39 GMT -7
No sorry to say the only hollow base bullet designs we have are copies of the arsenal designs for the 45-70 and 50-70. We can look into having something made that will be what you want. I would have to try to make a determination on what the demand might be for such a design. It wouldn't take all that many sales to justify a custom mold for it.
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Post by Bullshop on May 10, 2016 14:12:56 GMT -7
Come to think of it I do have a hollow base mold for a light weight 457" bullet. I think it runs about 180gn. I use it for gallery type loads in the 45-70.
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Post by Junior on May 10, 2016 16:39:00 GMT -7
No sorry to say the only hollow base bullet designs we have are copies of the arsenal designs for the 45-70 and 50-70. We can look into having something made that will be what you want. I would have to try to make a determination on what the demand might be for such a design. It wouldn't take all that many sales to justify a custom mold for it. Don't you have a light weight .457" bullet that is hollow base?
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