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Post by todddoyka on Apr 2, 2016 13:11:20 GMT -7
i have a ruger super redhawk with a 7.5" barrel in 44 rem mag. it is a great gun, but its getting to be a little too much for what i(had a stroke, so i'm one handed) need. its getting hard to hold the ruger up(lose a couple of ounces and use a 4 5/8" barrel), so i use a tripod. at 25 yards it get roughly 3 1/2 - 4" groups(5 shots) with 230gr wc and trail boss. i plan on using the ruger up to 50 yards, tho it will most likely shot a deer at 20-30 yards. i have been thinking on getting a 44 special with a 4 5/8" barrel in either the ruger blackhawk or the charter arms .44sp target bulldog. i do have some 250gr miheck hp(1 in 40) along with the 230gr wc. unique will be used for hunting deer. so should i go and buy the 44 sp or do i stay with the super redhawk? www.charterarms.com/collections/bulldog/products/74442-44-target-bulldog-with-4-2-barrel |
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Post by tom on Apr 2, 2016 20:36:36 GMT -7
If I read it correctly, the target bulldog is 22 oz, and the 4 5/8 Ruger is 42 oz. My only experience with bulldogs is my 2 1/2 44. Its a bit of recoil with stout loads, and I don't think charter recommends them. Not sure about the target model. 22 oz would certainly be a nice weight for one handed shooting. For hunting, I would assume single action shooting, but if you wanted to shoot it double action, there is quite a bit of stacking towards the end of the pull. I tried reduced power mainspring from wolf and it felt great! Unfortunately, about 40% failed to fire so I put the factory spring back in.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2016 19:25:44 GMT -7
Indeed, the Ruger Redhawk is quite the chunk of metal! Here's a couple of articles that may be of interest, regarding the .44 Spcl - my first choice in a handgun cartridge. You might find the Bisley grip better suited for one hand use, it seems to hang better. For the intended use you mention, deer 20 and up to 50 yards, .44 Spcl would be good. I've had both Charter Arms and Rugers, no real complaints against either one. No disrespect on the Charter Arms, but I believe the Ruger would hold up better, being a stouter build handgun. Ruger .44 Special info: www.tactical-life.com/combat-handguns/rugers-new-model-44-special/www.gunsamerica.com/blog/ross-seyfried-lipseys-ruger-flattop-44-special-bisley-revolvers/ Seyfried articles are always a good read, as well as being highly informative. Here's what a Google search showed for the Charter Arms Target .44 Spcl: www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=charter+arms+.44+special+target+reviewsKeep us posted on your selection, k'... |
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Post by todddoyka on Apr 3, 2016 21:12:54 GMT -7
thanks for the articles outsidebear. i am about 90% sure that it will be a ruger.
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Post by todddoyka on Apr 6, 2016 11:40:28 GMT -7
i went yesterday to look for a 44 sp and didn't find it. but i did put my hands on a 45 colt ruger new model bisley blackhawk with a 4 5/8" barrel. i didn't buy it, but it sure felt good in my hand  . its balance was good and it the sights "might" need changed, but thats about all. now i am hooked, i have a few more gun stores that i can look at, but its the blackhawk in 44 special for me!!! |
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Post by missionary on Apr 9, 2016 10:13:30 GMT -7
Greetings
Those Bisleys are fire revolvers to go around popping. Have a couple and would easily swap my regular spade handles for the Bisleys.
44 Special is hard to beat ! Every one I have ever owned was always right for what I needed.
Mike in Peru till June
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Post by todddoyka on Apr 9, 2016 19:46:44 GMT -7
i've been looking around on the internet and it real hard to find the bisley 44 sp. its hard to find even the bisley in 44 mag too. i wish i can find the 44sp with a 4 5/8".
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Post by shootist---Gary on Apr 9, 2016 21:03:41 GMT -7
Toddoyka, I have an origional Colt Bisley, 4 3/4" barrel, .38 W.C.F. (.38-40) that has been reblued years ago. I've owned it about 30 years. If you're interested, contact me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2016 6:27:31 GMT -7
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Post by todddoyka on Apr 12, 2016 18:54:53 GMT -7
well i went today and i traded my ruger super redhawk in 44 mag for a new ruger super blackhawk with a 4 5/8" stainless barrel with wooden grips in 44 mag. it will take a couple of weeks to get to my local gun shop but as soon as it comes in, i'll take some pictures.
i know i should have gone with a 44 sp in ruger blackhawk bisley but when i go to the dirt nap, my son can use it in the 44 mag. now i have to get me some 44 sp in starline brass and a holster(cheap one) and i'll be good to go.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2016 9:09:48 GMT -7
todddoyka: how 'bout using some of the .44 mangleum brass you already have, but with reduced loads of powder. Can always mark the head stamp with a coloring of some kind.
I use .44 Spcl brass in my .44 Spcls. I use .44 mag brass with reduced loads in my .44 mags, marking the head stamp so I remember they're loaded with a reduced load. Of course load full power level loads in .44 mag brass as well. I do this so don't have a short case length in the longer chamber - does not allow buildup of lead in the chamber mouth. Normally not a major issue, but this way when I want to fire a full power .44 mag load, I'm not concerned with any lead buildup in the front of the chamber, that may cause a bit of a pressure spike in that area? Not so much of a problem with .44 mag (but why allow it to happen?), as compared to the same situation if one were using .45 Colt loads in a .454 Casull chamber, which has 60k pressure levels. AND I don't have to scrub out any lead build up at the front of the chamber, from having used a short case in a longer chamber.
Good on the new .44 mag coming your way, no doubt it will do well.
Regarding a holster: a nylon holster would be relatively inexpensive.
How 'bout taking a look on ebay for a holster, gives ya plenty of variety to choose from used holsters. I look on there quite often at holsters.
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Post by todddoyka on Apr 13, 2016 12:31:26 GMT -7
i used to use trail boss(it was all over the cylinder and my hand) and unique in the old super redhawk. i'll have to check but i used 7.0gr of trail boss in 230gr wc and unique used 11.0gr for 250gr mihek hp in 44 mag brass. the 250gr along with unique was to be my hunting load. i can shoot magnum loads out of a 44 mag but its too hard for my triceps to do 4 or 5 rounds out of it. this is why i should've stayed with the 44spl, 'cause you know i'll have to take out the 4 5/8" barrel just to see if i can take a full blown load of win296 and a 240gr xtp....  . i ordered up some 44 spl starline brass(300 pcs) and a nylon uncle mikes holster this morning. i'll probably use the 44 mag brass "but's i's gots to sees what a 44 spl does".  thanks!!! i just can't wait till it does!!! |
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Post by missionary on Apr 14, 2016 9:11:38 GMT -7
Howdy todddoyka
Something else you can do is fill those 44 mag cases with 3F BP and have you a magnum BP revolver. I do this off and on with the revolvers. From 41 mag right through 45 Colt. 3F will expand the cases so there is no blow back along the case to smudge up the works.
Mike in Peru
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Post by todddoyka on Apr 14, 2016 20:13:33 GMT -7
oh crap!!!! don't tell me if i can use 3f bp. luckily i only have 2f and 4f bp that i use for my lyman flintlock 50cal. great, now i'm thinking of getting 2f into the magnum cases!!! you guys are enablers!!!! |
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Post by missionary on Apr 15, 2016 10:09:25 GMT -7
Well you can always drop in 10 grains of 4F as a kicker for that 2F to get a good hot burn. Why you could just fill the case with 4F. Ruger Tech people told me I could fill the Ruger Old Army with 4F and safely shoot it. So that 44 Mag will also hold that mini blast. I just never had enough 4F to give it a whirl. I screen my 3F & 2F when I want some 4F for a couple 69 Muskets that light off far better with just a dash of fine grains in the pan.
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Post by todddoyka on Apr 15, 2016 11:34:01 GMT -7
my dad and i use 4f in the flash pan and load up the gun using 2f. that pound of 4f has to be at least 20 years old!!! usually a pound of 2f goes roughly every two years. my dad's 50cal tc hawken puts three shots .4" at 100 yards. i, on the other hand, use a 50cal lyman deerstalker and it goes roughly 1 3/4-2 1/2" at 100 yards(3 shots). my dad's gun bought in a kit, sometime during the 1979 or '80, and i can remember him sanding the stock. there was an old timer that built these guns and my dad became friends with him. since i was 8 or 9yo, i never talked to the old timer, but my dad said when the old timer dies, all of that knowledge of building the muzzleloaders will be gone. two years later, he did die and everything was gone.  you sir, are not helping!!! putting 2f into a magnum case is NOT helping me at all.  all i wanted to do was load it up with unique and have at her!!! i like the idea of 4f as a kicker, ..........no mustn't............can't............what primers do you use? can you use a regular large pistol primer? |
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Post by missionary on Apr 15, 2016 14:22:10 GMT -7
Yep regular pistol primers. That short of a case will light and consume just fine. What the 4F kicker will do is get the pressure up above regular 2F pressure so it does not blow back. A heavy bullet of 240 gr or more will also get the BP cooking well. A softer bullet will fill the throats better. If your duplex load has a little black sneaking back on the case up the 4F a grain at a time till the case mouth is sealing. It is Fun !
Your lube ... Remember to use BP lube. Around the cylinder pin put a dobber of grease to keep the fouling out. Do not be surprised if these BP loads are the most accurate load that revolver will shoot.
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Post by todddoyka on Apr 15, 2016 15:27:53 GMT -7
thanks!!! now i have to try it!!!!
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Post by missionary on Apr 16, 2016 4:35:18 GMT -7
Let us know when so we can look for the smoke on the horizon.
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. its balance was good and it the sights "might" need changed, but thats about all.
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all i wanted to do was load it up with unique and have at her!!!